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@kellyjay said
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
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So His plans are His own, and our greatest accomplishment is to be like Him, there is no higher standard, but because He is Holy.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander, if we are to be like him.
Luke 12:20
But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
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@moonbus saidCapable does not mean they have to, the choice is what separates something good from something evil. Evil is a deviation from good it cannot exist without good to be deviant from, while good doesn’t require evil to be good. It was forbidden to keep us from the mess we are in now. The ability to fall does not mean you will only that it is a real possibility.
Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that by some genetic tinkering, we were able to produce a person incapable of sticking a knife into anyone else. Both physiologically and psychologically he simply could not do this. So that we would have eliminated, at one swell foop, and entire class of murderers.
But we would also have eliminated surgeons. Oops.
Ther ...[text shortened]... Knowledge of Good AND Evil. Now, ask yourself, why was this forbidden? To know good as well as evil?
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@pettytalk saidWhat is your point exactly or your question?
@kellyjay said
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
@kellyjay said
So His plans are His own, and our greatest accomplishment is to be like Him, there is no higher standard, but be ...[text shortened]... y night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
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@kellyjay saidIn your opinion, why did God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden in the first place, and subsequently allow the serpent in to beguile Eve to eat of its fruit?
Capable does not mean they have to, the choice is what separates something good from something evil. Evil is a deviation from good it cannot exist without good to be deviant from, while good doesn’t require evil to be good. It was forbidden to keep us from the mess we are in now. The ability to fall does not mean you will only that it is a real possibility.
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One facet of Evolution is said to be the drive for the survival of the fittest, the stronger.
Early Christians were persecuted for their faith, and sometimes they were offered freedom if they denied their faith.
I wonder if faith, especially Christian faith, has evolved in a way that makes believers more steadfast in their faith. How many Christians today, if presented with the choice to either renounce their faith or face death by being fed to lions, would still choose to hold fast to their faith?
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@divegeester saidWell, this was my question some pages ago, which KJ dodged: who is more responsible for the evil of drug addiction? The poor addict at the end of the chain (i.e., Adam), or the pusher (the snake, and who put him in the Garden in the first place), or the cartel which manufactures the evil stuff (i.e., God, who created good and evil, for without good and evil, there cannot have been knowledge of such things to be forbidden) ?
In your opinion, why did God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden in the first place, and subsequently allow the serpent in to beguile Eve to eat of its fruit?
Verily verily, until one understands why knowledge of good was forbidden, not only knowledge of evil, the myth of the GoE makes no sense at all.
I daresay, KJ has not begun to plumb these depths.
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@kellyjay saidYou have to take responsibility for what you say and imply.
What is your point exactly or your question?
The point revolves around the concept of fools. You referenced a passage discussing the consequences of labeling someone a fool and also mentioned that we should emulate God. If God used the term 'fool' to refer to others, then we align ourselves with God by doing the same when appropriate. Essentially, you are misinterpreting God's word and plan by failing to understand it correctly.
In other words, a fool could be someone like yourself, who misunderstands God's word by taking it literally. To be fair, we are all fools in our attempts to help you perceive the darkness of your mindset. It's true that humanity has an inherent tendency to produce flawed individuals, but that's part of the design. However, God assigned some quality assurance specialists to ensure 100% inspection of all production units. The intention was that any defective units would be detected, and subjected to rework to meet specifications, while those that are beyond repair will simply be discarded. This process ensures that only high-quality units reach the end customer.
Jesus clearly illustrates this by using various literary tools in his teachings as examples of not taking everything literally.
Similes: Comparisons between two unlike things to illustrate a point (e.g., "The kingdom of heaven is like..."
Metaphors: Direct comparisons between two things without using 'like' or 'as' (e.g., "The kingdom of heaven is a mustard seed..."
Allegories: Symbolic stories with a hidden meaning (e.g., "The Good Samaritan."
Proverbs: Short, wise sayings that offer advice or insight into life (e.g., "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
Parables: Stories that teach moral lessons or illustrate spiritual truths (e.g., "The Prodigal Son."
Dialogues: Conversations between characters that reveal character traits or moral dilemmas (e.g., The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector).
We are being good Samaritans to you, because we see that you have been robbed of your senses, and have been beaten down to the point of having been made to believe that we (mankind) are all thieves and killers.
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@pettytalk saidThe drive for life is with every life, with respect to the strongest and fastest when resources are very limited they will be the ones getting everything necessary. The more bountiful resources those able to acquire what is needed is larger. None of that directs mutations on a molecular level, to build a new features or form in life that has be done with specifications a small change building something without mistakes.
One facet of Evolution is said to be the drive for the survival of the fittest, the stronger.
Early Christians were persecuted for their faith, and sometimes they were offered freedom if they denied their faith.
I wonder if faith, especially Christian faith, has evolved in a way that makes believers more steadfast in their faith. How many Christians today, if present ...[text shortened]... nce their faith or face death by being fed to lions, would still choose to hold fast to their faith?
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@kellyjay saidDid you deliberately avoid PettyTalk’s point?
The drive for life is with every life, with respect to the strongest and fastest when resources are very limited they will be the ones getting everything necessary. The more bountiful resources those able to acquire what is needed is larger. None of that directs mutations on a molecular level, to build a new features or form in life that has be done with specifications a small change building something without mistakes.
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@moonbus saidThat was not dodged! I answered you saying each person owned their own part, and asked you if you were trying to absolve someone? You left the conversation I guess so you could say what you just did without following through. Pathetic behavior moonbus!
Well, this was my question some pages ago, which KJ dodged: who is more responsible for the evil of drug addiction? The poor addict at the end of the chain (i.e., Adam), or the pusher (the snake, and who put him in the Garden in the first place), or the cartel which manufactures the evil stuff (i.e., God, who created good and evil, for without good and evil, there cann ...[text shortened]... l, the myth of the GoE makes no sense at all.
I daresay, KJ has not begun to plumb these depths.
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@kellyjay saidYou still don't understand how evolution works, please stop trying to discuss it until you do, you're just embarrassing yourself. (Or you should be)
The drive for life is with every life, with respect to the strongest and fastest when resources are very limited they will be the ones getting everything necessary. The more bountiful resources those able to acquire what is needed is larger. None of that directs mutations on a molecular level, to build a new features or form in life that has be done with specifications a small change building something without mistakes.
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@pettytalk saidFaith in any given deity isn't part of the evolutionary process as we are discussing it. 'Faith' is a learned aspect the 'human condition', as it might be called. If a child is born of one Christian parent and one Muslim parent (for example) the child will not be born half Christian and half Muslim, it will grow to be one or the other, or neither, and the 'steadfastness' of any given belief or lack thereof will be a matter for the individual (it's the nature or nurture thing) and isn't passed from one generation to another. As to the being fed to lions thing, you'd have to ask a Christian....
One facet of Evolution is said to be the drive for the survival of the fittest, the stronger.
Early Christians were persecuted for their faith, and sometimes they were offered freedom if they denied their faith.
I wonder if faith, especially Christian faith, has evolved in a way that makes believers more steadfast in their faith. How many Christians today, if present ...[text shortened]... nce their faith or face death by being fed to lions, would still choose to hold fast to their faith?
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@indonesia-phil saidYou cannot even voice a place in all of the things I have been saying that you can show how I am wrong, if anyone here doesn't know evolution it seems to me you and a few others who cannot get specific only offer up vague accusations.
You still don't understand how evolution works, please stop trying to discuss it until you do, you're just embarrassing yourself. (Or you should be)
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@indonesia-phil saidReally?
Faith in any given deity isn't part of the evolutionary process as we are discussing it. 'Faith' is a learned aspect the 'human condition', as it might be called. If a child is born of one Christian parent and one Muslim parent (for example) the child will not be born half Christian and half Muslim, it will grow to be one or the other, or neither, and the 'steadfastne ...[text shortened]... rom one generation to another. As to the being fed to lions thing, you'd have to ask a Christian....
Any religion that promises eternal life could serve as an example. Are you suggesting that the mental aspect and attitude towards survival are not influenced by evolution? Isn't faith motivated by the desire for eternal life? After all, eternal life represents the ultimate goal of survival.
The process is known as neuroevolution, where changes in brain structure and function occur over generations.
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@vivify saidit wasn't until the space aliens came that humans began to evolve. They alterred our DNA and that resulted in advancements in every respect.
I'd like to use this thread to clear up an misconceptions about evolution are answer any general questions.
Hopefully we can put an end to misinformation about it so we don't have to keep running circles correct the same mistakes.
Ask away, any questions you have about evolution.