@sonship saidNo, you are wrong. I am not "fighting" anything in the spiritual realm, least of all a man who has been stone dead for 2,000 years.
Your whole being is "fighting" against the existence of the Lord Jesus.
You are such a narcissist, sonship, that you think things that appeal to your superstitious imagination, including a large dollop of ghastly moral claptrap, somehow conjures up something that I have to fight or struggle with.
@sonship said[1] I don't claim for one moment that any of my beliefs on these matters are objective; they are entirely in the realm of subjectivity, just like yours.
The objective neutrality "above it all" tone doesn't impress me.
[2] I don't claim to be neutral. You're being silly. I am not a Christian. I am not a theist. I am an agnostic atheist. I find you to be someone who trots out moral nonsense. That is not being neutral.
[3] I see you as a tragic figure, sonship, whose intellectual capacities seem rather squandered on internalizing and regurgitating convoluted doctrines rooted in an arbitrary mythology in a joyless and alienating way. So I am not trying to "impress" you. Boy, your narcissistic impudence is quite the spectacle.
@FMF
Keep trying.
You can't out of one side of your mouth act like its no life and death matter to you about salvation in Christ,
and in the next moment follow Divegeester lock step to vehementaly protest of God's injustice and wrongful vengence strongly and repeatedly like you resent being bothered at all by a last judgment.
The "You just don't understand me" act is a soggy wet tissue of a veneer convincing to no one. Hurl whatever psychological names come to your mind.
What you are is simply out there to see.
You have a dog in the fight of God's existence. You have more than one actually.
No, you are wrong. I am not "fighting" anything in the spiritual realm, least of all a man who has been stone dead for 2,000 years.
The last part of your sentence from the phrase "least of all" 180 degrees contradicts the rest of your charade. You mean you wish you could simply sweep Jesus into the corner with your little skeptical broom.
This I'll give you. Its a spiritual battle in which you are a part.
Indirectly, yes, but a part.
@sonship saidUtter nonsense.
The last part of your sentence from the phrase "least of all" 180 degrees contradicts the rest of your charade. You mean you wish you could simply sweep Jesus into the corner with your little skeptical broom.
I have talked more about Jesus's key moral messages and commandments on this forum than you ever have.
You are obsessed with narcissistic preoccupations like claiming you will become a "godman", claiming you have been "becoming like Jesus" on this forum, and peddling your ludicrous divine torture nonsense.
I have talked more about Jesus's key moral messages and commandments on this forum than you ever have.
What did the great MORAL teacher say about . . . . HIMSELF ?
The great moral teaching of what He said about Himself and God you want to dismiss as conspiracy.
Thomas Jefferson already attempted to take his scissors to the New Testament and splice out everything supernatural.
What Jesus said about JESUS you have to take with the splendid moral teaching. "This is all extra conspiracy theory of people who won't leave ME alone" doesn't fly.
Christ has not left you that luxury. You have to deal with what He said and did about Himself and the One He called Father.
The great moral teacher said "Without Me you can do nothing."
Or, without Christ, you can do a whole lot. In the end before God it will amount to NOTHING.
The branches must abide in the true vine.
The life if the true vine must flow into the abiding branches.
John got the point and recorded this is John 15.
Do you have a conspiracy theory for that too FMF?
@sonship saidNot believing in your God figure, I do not "vehemently protest God's injustice and wrongful vengeance strongly and repeatedly". I just find your manmade ideology morally incoherent. I don't believe there is a "last judgment", and I don't believe there is such a thing as "God's injustice" [or justice, for that matter] or "wrongful vengeance" or "salvation in Christ". But I do see the rhetorical gimmick you are trying to use here.
You can't out of one side of your mouth act like its no life and death matter to you about salvation in Christ, and in the next moment follow Divegeester lock step to vehementaly protest of God's injustice and wrongful vengence strongly and repeatedly like you resent being bothered at all by a last judgment.
@sonship saidYou have typed a bunch of stuff, ostensibly in reply to my post, but what I said ~ I have talked more about Jesus's key moral messages and commandments on this forum than you ever have ~ is still dangling there, unaddressed,
What did the great MORAL teacher say about . . . . HIMSELF ?
The great moral teaching of what He said about Himself and God you want to dismiss as conspiracy.
Thomas JEfferson already attempted to take his scissors to the New Testament and splice out everything supernatural.
What Jesus said about [b]JESUS[/b[ you have to take with the spl ...[text shortened]... that luxury. You have to deal with what He said and did about Himself and the One He called Father.
More than ten years of conversation and sonship is still pretending that my objections and observations are about an actual supernatural being when he knows full well they are objections and observations about the convoluted rote-learned manmade dogma that sonship recites and propagates.
Not believing in your God figure, I do not "vehemently protest God's injustice and wrongful vengeance strongly and repeatedly". I just find your manmade ideology morally incoherent. I don't believe there is a "last judgment", and I don't believe there is such a thing as "God's injustice" [or justice, for that matter] or "wrongful vengeance" or "salvation in Christ". But I do see the rhetorical gimmick you are trying to use here.
You're putting up a mighty fight against my God figure aren't you?
"Who ME ???"
The people who don't care about my God figure are off ignoring this Forum completely.
Have you ever been wrongfully accused of anything quite unfairly in your life ?
That's a genuine question.