Foremost objection to the existence of God

@kellyjay said
Yes, it is quite possible some are in a delusion, some are not, or all are.

Bible believing Christians are not delusional.

They can be weak in the faith, and they can be misinformed, but never is a born again Christian ever delusional as long as they believe God.

Belief is the first principle of faith. Delusion is the first principle of unbelief.

@josephw said
As a "non-Christian" your perspective is non-biblical.

A Christian with an open mind "looks around" him or herself and sees the world through the prism of the scriptures.

Evolution contradicts creation. An open minded Christian does not equivocate or waffle about how everything came into existence, or that man was created in the image of God in just one day.

Those t ...[text shortened]... , compromise their faith in the word of God, and make themselves subject to deceptions of all kinds.

Your first sentence refers: I would have thought that was obvious, and therefore is a more objective perspective.
Your second sentence refers: Seeing the world through the prism of the scriptures is the very antithesis of having an open mind.
Your third paragraph refers: Another obvious statement, and as I have said before, anyone with an open mind, be they Christian or otherwise, would look at all of the evidence for evolution and have a rethink. So what did your god do, make the legs in the morning, stop for lunch, then work upwards from there, finishing the head at about tea time?
Your fourth paragraph refers: To what kind of deceptions do you refer? Do you mean the deceptions of scientific discovery, study and analysis? How's that for having a closed mind?
You can't see the wood for the trees, dear chap, and you're so deep in the forest of
your scriptures that you can't find the pathway out to any kind of rational thought.

@indonesia-phil said
Your first sentence refers: I would have thought that was obvious, and therefore is a more objective perspective.
Your second sentence refers: Seeing the world through the prism of the scriptures is the very antithesis of having an open mind.
Your third paragraph refers: Another obvious statement, and as I have said before, anyone with an open mind, be they Christ ...[text shortened]... e forest of
your scriptures that you can't find the pathway out to any kind of rational thought.

As FMF would say, "you are mistaken" because you are basing your opinions about Bible believing Christians on a flawed narrative. The Christian's mind is wide open contrary to what you've been told to think. I won't bother trying to prove that to you because you have a closed mind concerning the intellect of Christians and their ability to know the truth.

An open mind doesn't say "there is no God" because in order to know that you would have to know everything there is to know.

"To what kind of deceptions do you refer? Do you mean the deceptions of scientific discovery, study and analysis? How's that for having a closed mind?
You can't see the wood for the trees, dear chap, and you're so deep in the forest of
your scriptures that you can't find the pathway out to any kind of rational thought."

First question: any kind of deception there is.
Second question: no one with an open mind discards scientific discovery, study and analysis.
Third comment: you are buried under a hundred and fifty year old avalanche of theoretical speculation to the detriment of knowing the truth when you hear it.

God created. Evolution is dead. Believe as you will. I have nothing personal against you for believing in evolution.

@josephw said
Are you asking whether or not objecting to the existence of God is because of evil? Or maybe you're asking if it is evil to object to the existence of God?

Just decide for yourself and then type whatever you want.

@kellyjay said
Yes, it is quite possible some are in a delusion, some are not, or all are.

Of course. I believe in Jesus Christ, his historic victory where he overcame the Gates of Hell and reversed the visions of doom in Revelation. Completely and totally for everyone.

Now I can talk to FMF about this and he may think I’m delusional. My only evidence for what I believe is my subjective experience with the living god. And that’s not evidence for FMF.

@josephw said
Twisted.

God tells us the truth. God provides the evidence. You twist and mischaracterize the words and intent of not just "some" Christians here, but all of them.

God created man in one day. How do we know that? Because God said so. And God said thousands of other things.

Who gives a hoot what I say? I believe God, and so should you.

But you don't. That's why you ...[text shortened]... erpetual habit of yours, and is evidence that you are either a nit wit Christian, or not one at all.

Show the atheists here your evidence. And don’t say “read the bible” the bible is NOT evidence.

@josephw said
Twisted.

I don’t think I am.
I think you are just being snide.

@josephw said
Bible believing Christians are not delusional.

He’s referring to me. At least I think he is.

It’s KellyJay’s way of rationalising that I’m a Christian but I believe stuff which contradicts his stuff.

@divegeester said
Now I can talk to FMF about this and he may think I’m delusional. My only evidence for what I believe is my subjective experience with the living god. And that’s not evidence for FMF.

Note, KellyJay, that I don't tackle you on this kind of testimony when you give it.

@divegeester said
Of course. I believe in Jesus Christ, his historic victory where he overcame the Gates of Hell and reversed the visions of doom in Revelation. Completely and totally for everyone.

Now I can talk to FMF about this and he may think I’m delusional. My only evidence for what I believe is my subjective experience with the living god. And that’s not evidence for FMF.

It takes courage to admit that all you’ve got is your subjective experience. I respect that. Many other Christians here relentlessly try to inflate their own subjective experiences into something timeless and objective, and they get equally relentless push back from those of us who don’t accept that what they present is anything other than inflated subjective experience.

@divegeester said
Of course. I believe in Jesus Christ, his historic victory where he overcame the Gates of Hell and reversed the visions of doom in Revelation. Completely and totally for everyone.

Now I can talk to FMF about this and he may think I’m delusional. My only evidence for what I believe is my subjective experience with the living god. And that’s not evidence for FMF.

You make up your beliefs as you will; they are not based on anything other than your imagination; out of every person here, those who claim to be Atheists or all manner of Theists, you have by far the weakest belief system anyone could have. You accept pieces of a biblical text that you also claim cannot be trusted. Nothing about your belief system is based on anything other than you.

@fmf said
Note, KellyJay, that I don't tackle you on this kind of testimony when you give it.

And?

@kellyjay said
You make up your beliefs as you will; they are not based on anything other than your imagination; out of every person here, those who claim to be Atheists or all manner of Theists, you have by far the weakest belief system anyone could have. You accept pieces of a biblical text that you also claim cannot be trusted. Nothing about your belief system is based on anything other than you.

I’m not making anything up, it’s not based on my imagination. It’s based on something else.

On the contrary I think I have one of the strongest most comprehensible, robust belief system (whatever that is) of all of you. It is morally coherent, biblically aligned across the entire cannon of scripture (as you are so fond of pointing out) and it is thoughtfully aligned with the principle of an all powerful all loving god who has his eyes firmly on eternity.

@divegeester said
I’m not making anything up, it’s not based on my imagination. It’s based on something else.

On the contrary I think I have one of the strongest most comprehensible, robust belief system (whatever that is) of all of you. It is morally coherent, biblically aligned across the entire cannon of scripture (as you are so fond of pointing out) and it is thoughtfully aligned with the principle of an all powerful all loving god who has his eyes firmly on eternity.

Your imagination suggests it is numbers only that the scale of what is right and good shows God wins. That comes from you, not Biblical text; God created us in His image, and just as Jesus is the very image of God in human form, the glory of God is turning sinners into those that conform to Christ's image by accepting the grace and mercy God gives for the glory of God not the importance of man.

@kellyjay said
Your imagination suggests it is numbers only that the scale of what is right and good shows God wins.

Take it to the other thread please. It’s off topic on here.

Thanks