Foremost objection to the existence of God

@divegeester said
Of course. I believe in Jesus Christ, his historic victory where he overcame the Gates of Hell and reversed the visions of doom in Revelation. Completely and totally for everyone.

Now I can talk to FMF about this and he may think I’m delusional. My only evidence for what I believe is my subjective experience with the living god. And that’s not evidence for FMF.

Care to back that with more than just how you think it should be?

@kellyjay said
Care to back that with more than just how you think it should be?

Which bit?

@divegeester said
Which bit?

"Of course. I believe in Jesus Christ, his historic victory where he overcame the Gates of Hell and reversed the visions of doom in Revelation. Completely and totally for everyone."

@kellyjay said
"Of course. I believe in Jesus Christ, his historic victory where he overcame the Gates of Hell and reversed the visions of doom in Revelation. Completely and totally for everyone."

Ok let’s break it down; see if I can identify which bits are firing a flame up your ass:

“I believe in Jesus Christ” ?
“His historic victory”?
“Where he overcame the gates of hell”?
“Reversed the vision of doom in Revelation”?
“Completely and totally for everyone”?

Which bits are causing you concern?

@josephw said
As FMF would say, "you are mistaken" because you are basing your opinions about Bible believing Christians on a flawed narrative. The Christian's mind is wide open contrary to what you've been told to think. I won't bother trying to prove that to you because you have a closed mind concerning the intellect of Christians and their ability to know the truth.

An open mind does ...[text shortened]... lution is dead. Believe as you will. I have nothing personal against you for believing in evolution.

And I have nothing personal against you for believing in your god, or anybody else for their beliefs for that matter. Truth appears to be subjective after all, and that's enough discord for me, life's too short and too good, so I'm out of here, got some personal evolving to do. Peace and love, that's all that really matters.

@divegeester said
Ok let’s break it down; see if I can identify which bits are firing a flame up your ass:

“I believe in Jesus Christ” ?
“His historic victory”?
“Where he overcame the gates of hell”?
“Reversed the vision of doom in Revelation”?
“Completely and totally for everyone”?

Which bits are causing you concern?

“Reversed the vision of doom in Revelation”?
“Completely and totally for everyone”?

@divegeester said
I’m not making anything up, it’s not based on my imagination. It’s based on something else.

On the contrary I think I have one of the strongest most comprehensible, robust belief system (whatever that is) of all of you. It is morally coherent, biblically aligned across the entire cannon of scripture (as you are so fond of pointing out) and it is thoughtfully aligned with the principle of an all powerful all loving god who has his eyes firmly on eternity.

Ok, listen, I'll take you on your word on this, this seems to have taken a lot of thought, but I have one question.

How do you correlate this with certain sections of the bible which state that the only way to the end is the strait gate, the narrow way, and how there are precious few who find it?

@kellyjay said
“Reversed the vision of doom in Revelation”?
“Completely and totally for everyone”?

Correct.

@suzianne said
Ok, listen, I'll take you on your word on this, this seems to have taken a lot of thought, but I have one question.

How do you correlate this with certain sections of the bible which state that the only way to the end is the strait gate, the narrow way, and how there are precious few who find it?

If you read Thread 192574 you will see KellyJay defending his position, of there being only a “few” who his version of god saves, by using this scripture.

One either has to accept that an all powerful, all knowing and all loving god only saves a “few” and that he is therefore a failure, OR accept that his victory at Calvary was complete and total and that the stated “few” who are saved is not a juxtaposition of the many who go to hell to be tortured forever by the same all loving all powerful god.

It all comes down what is the bigger and higher picture of god’s salvation vs the tactical meaning of a single verse.

@fmf said
Is it 'the problem of evil'?

Is it 'the problem of evil'?
I personally do not think so.
The "Foremost objection to the existence of God" in my opinion, is our physical and Spiritual separation from Him (God); and, from the spiritual world altogether. This is what causes' doubt in most, usually.
Some people's objection to the existence of God is understandable; seeing and knowing personally this separation. I know God understands to a point; however, it is Holy Ground.
Our separation from Him was and is caused by our sin, sinful nature, evil in us, etc.
Thanks be to Jesus Christ our Lord; A.K.A. God! 🙂

@divegeester said
If you read Thread 192574 you will see KellyJay defending his position, of there being only a “few” who his version of god saves, by using this scripture.

One either has to accept that an all powerful, all knowing and all loving god only saves a “few” and that he is therefore a failure, OR accept that his victory at Calvary was complete and total and tha ...[text shortened]... what is the bigger and higher picture of god’s salvation vs the tactical meaning of a single verse.

I'm thinking it has more to do with how far you're willing to go to imagine that you're right.

Exhibit A might be: Do you understand that God hates sin?

I can't wait for "holier-than-thou" Rajk to chime in on your dogma.

Salvation wasn't invented so that God's Kingdom can be populated with evil.

By the way, I reject both of your either-or options and the ridiculous conclusions you draw from both of them.

@suzianne said
I'm thinking it has more to do with how far you're willing to go to imagine that you're right.

Exhibit A might be: Do you understand that God hates sin?

I can't wait for "holier-than-thou" Rajk to chime in on your dogma.

Salvation wasn't invented so that God's Kingdom can be populated with evil.

By the way, I reject both of your either-or options and the ridiculous conclusions you draw from both of them.

I don’t know why I bother attempting to talk sense with you.

@divegeester said
Correct.

Why do you think these things are true? Simply agreeing with yourself isn't validating what you said; I don't think even you are that narcissistic. When what you proclaim goes against Biblical text, what the Word declares is one thing, and you another, both cannot be correct; one or the other is wrong, or you both are. You suggest the Word conflicts with reality; if that is the case, it cannot be trusted; you have admitted that you see no evidence for God, so the bases for all of your views on all things scripturally are not based on something you can point too outside of yourself, all of it is only what you think. Am I missing something?

@kellyjay said
Why do you think these things are true? Simply agreeing with yourself isn't validating what you said

I’m just replying to what you posted. I agree with it.

@kellyjay said
When what you proclaim goes against Biblical text

No it doesn’t.