14 Sep 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI don't want sonship's "approval". The reasons behind my contributions to this thread are exactly as I have stated them. It's as if you haven't read any of my posts.
Why then do you seem to want Sonships approval on the matter ?
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Originally posted by @divegeesterhttps://www.google.com/search?q=fellowship&oq=fellowship&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4j69i61.15136j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Fellowship is not following.
Your ability to conflate meanings to suit your own agenda is extrodinary.
fel·low·ship
ˈfelōˌSHip/
noun
1.
friendly association, especially with people who share one's interests.
"they valued fun and good fellowship as the cement of the community"
synonyms: companionship, companionability, sociability, comradeship, camaraderie, friendship, mutual support; More
Does ""sharing interests" with someone or others involve some amount of following ?
Does companionship involve some amount of following ?
Do "mutual support, camaraderie" and "comradeship" involve some amount of following one another ?
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Originally posted by @sonshipPossibly yes, possibly no. The word "follow" does the job if necessary if following is what you want to talk about. Fellowship can and does happen in situations where people are not following each other at all. There is no need to project "some amount of" meaning of different words onto the word "fellowship". It's just rhetorical sleight of hand. They are not synonyms. It's like you asking... 'Do not the words "eternal torture" involve some amount of boundless love, perfect justice, and ultimate morality?' ...in support of your torturer god ideology.
Does "sharing interests" with someone or others involve some amount of following ?
Does companionship involves some amount of following ?
Does "mutual support camaraderie" and comradeship involve some amount of following one another ?
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Originally posted by @fmfThe statement "Fellowship is not following" is shown not to be altogether true.
Possibly yes, possibly no. The word "follow" does the job if necessary if following is what you want to talk about. Fellowship can and does happen in situations where people are not following each other at all. There is no need to project "some amount of" meaning of different words onto the word "fellowship". It's just rhetorical sleight of hand. They are not ...[text shortened]... less love, perfect justice, and ultimate morality?' ...in support of your torturer god ideology.
Wrap winding all this into an argument about torture forever makes it seem like you'd really rather have another argument.
You were speaking of "rhetorical sleight of hand" ?
Originally posted by @sonshipThe parallel I highlighted is not a "rhetorical sleight of hand". It is a hypothetical example which illustrates the kind of trick you were using and which you use constantly. In one sense, sonship, you are not a very good writer and not a very good communicator. In another sense, you have developed - over the years - a kind of disingenuous and transluscent style of waffly writing, deliberately sprinkled with little logical fallacies [that probably go unnoticed much of the time], in the service of your self-anointed dissent-averse "preacher" spamming.
Wrap winding all this into an argument about torture forever makes it seem like you'd really rather have another argument.
You were speaking of "rhetorical sleight of hand" ?
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Originally posted by @sonshipNo they don't. Following is like a form of discipleship, the word implies that the person followed is the leader.
Do [insert various verbs which have little or possibly nothing to do with "following"] involve some amount of following one another ?
As I said and I maintain; Fellowship is not following, and your ability to conflate meanings to suit your own agenda is quite interesting.
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Originally posted by @divegeester
No they don't. Following is like a form of discipleship, the word implies that the person followed is the leader.
As I said and I maintain; Fellowship is not following, and your ability to conflate meanings to suit your own agenda is quite interesting.
No they don't. Following is like a form of discipleship, the word implies that the person followed is the leader.
But leadership is not always official, automatic and hierarchical among Christians.
So believers may follow one another as they follow the Lord Jesus.
Maybe you are lacking in experience of such a thing.
As I said and I maintain; Fellowship is not following, and your ability to conflate meanings to suit your own agenda is quite interesting.
It wasn't anymore completely true the second time you said it from the first time.
Probably you lack experience of following someone in fellowship who is not necessarily your spiritual elder or teacher.
No need to impose your lack of experience on the meaning of Christian fellowship.
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Originally posted by @sonship
https://www.google.com/search?q=fellowship&oq=fellowship&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4j69i61.15136j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
[quote] fel·low·ship
ˈfelōˌSHip/
[b] noun
1.
friendly association, especially with people who share one's interests.
"they valued fun and good fellowship as the cement of the community"
synonyms: companionship, companionability, s ...[text shortened]... rs involve some amount of following ?
Does [b]companionship involve some amount of following ?
Do "mutual support, camaraderie" and "comradeship" involve some amount of following one another ?[/b]
John the Baptist came preaching that the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.
Jesus Christ came afterwards proclaiming the same thing.
Jesus followed John the Baptist in this way.
Jesus was not a disciple of John the Baptist.
"From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near." (Matt. 4:17)
He followed John the Baptist who before preached the same in chapter 3..
"Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying,
Repent! For the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near." (Matt. 3:1,2)
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17 Sep 17
Originally posted by @sonshipIt is completely and utterly true that fellowship is not the same as followership. Your desire to conflate the two to suit your vanity and hide your error is becoming quite distasteful.No they don't. Following is like a form of discipleship, the word implies that the person followed is the leader.
But leadership is not always official, automatic and hierarchical among Christians.
So believers may follow one another as they follow the Lord Jesus.
Maybe you are lacking in experience of such a thing.
[quote]
A ...[text shortened]... r teacher.
No need to impose your lack of experience on the meaning of Christian fellowship.
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Originally posted by @divegeester"Followership" is your created term.
It is completely and utterly true that fellowship is not the same as followership. Your desire to conflate the two to suit your vanity and hide your error is becoming quite distasteful.
Two browny points for originality.
How Jesus followed John the Baptist is not driven by my "desire". It is just the facts.
Jesus was not a disciple of John the Baptist but followed him in what God had John the Baptist proclaim,
They were "comrades" and "companions" in fellowship. Sorry.
Better luck next time.
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Originally posted by @sonshipWrong again:
"Followership" is your created term.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/followership
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followership
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robasghar/2016/01/17/why-followership-is-now-more-important-than-leadership/#6b9342f75d64
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Originally posted by @sonshipYou are just making this stuff up sonship, it's pathetic. Your vanity is choking.
How Jesus followed John the Baptist is not driven by my "desire". It is just the facts.
Jesus was not a disciple of John the Baptist but followed him in what God had John the Baptist proclaim,
Jesus did NOT "follow" John the Baptist, and incidentally John did not "follow" Jesus either.