Harlot and the Wild Beast?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Matt 25:31 When the [b]Son of man (Christ) shall come (Back to earth) in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all (ALL .... ALL) nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the shee ...[text shortened]... sting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal[/b].


The righteous get life eternal.[/b]

The enter into eternal life. I think there is a difference. They enter into a realm of being preserved as Adam was before he sinned. This is not the same as being born of God and receiving God Himself as life within.

I think there is a difference. The criteria by which the sheep in Matthew 25 are ushered into the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world is not regeneration.

They did not know Christ. They are not "the least of these my brothers" because they did deeds to "the least of these my brothers".

There are three groups in the teaching of Matthew 25:31-46.

1. The sheep
2. The goats
3. The least of these my brothers

The sheep who enter into eternal life are a distinct group from the least of these my brothers to who they were kind.

Their being saved from damnation is based upon thier having been kind to the least of these the Lord's brothers.

I submit that these are not typical receivers of the Gospel of grace preached by the church in the church age.

They are nations left alive on the earth after the great tribulation who will be ushered into the 1000 year millennial kingdom because of their response to the eternal gospel preached by the angel from the air in Revelation 14.

They did not follow Antichrist. They did not join Antichrist in persecuting the Jews and the Christians preserved by Jesus in that time of the great tribulation.

They do not have the Holy Spirit. But they are restored during the millennial kingdom to be as Adam and Eve were before they fell, Adam and Eve had a kind of everlasting immortality.

Adam and Eve never received into them the divine life of God. They did not eat of the tree of life, And to take in the tree of life would have been that time's equivalent of regeneration. It would have been to receive God Himself as eternal life.

The lesson in all this really is that God wants more than just to have people who live forever. God wants people who are mingled with God and within whom God lives.

That is enough for this post. The sheep in Matthew 25 are the positive recipients of the eternal gospel preached during the three and one half years of the great tribulation.

We know in part and prophesy in part. What I believe I know I have related briefly. But we know in part. And I too still have some questions about this. But I am convinced that this little sketch is reliable though limited.

Originally posted by jaywill
You're not 11. I read your bio. You're a retired accountant.

Cant believe you really thought I was 11 when we have been arguing for over 2 years now. Been playing chess on RHP for over 5 years. I only said I was 11 because that nincompoop Galveston said I was 13. You should have picked that up. Also a month or so ago I told you I have studying the bible for over 40 years

Im 53, an ex-Christadelphian... similar kind of cult like the JWs though not as insane. Forced to read the bible every night from age 5. Anyway I realised they were wrong and left in my 20s. Been studying the bible on my own since then and never joined any church. Been to many but they all have missed what Christ taught. Tell them what I think and they laugh. I just move on.

What I did find that there are many within a group who do not believe in all the garbage preached by the church. They truly understand what Christ expects of us and they go do it... and thats the strength of character that Christ is looking for. So within the JW church, even though they are seriously astray, there are many that Christ will find to be righteous.

Originally posted by jaywill
The enter into eternal life. I think there is a difference. They enter into a realm of being preserved as Adam was before he sinned. This is not the same as being born of God and receiving God Himself as life within.

I think there is a difference. The criteria by which the sheep in Matthew 25 are ushered into the kingdom prepared for them from the foundat ...[text shortened]... estions about this. But I am convinced that this little sketch is reliable though limited.

Why do you add a 3rd group when Christ only identified sheep and goats?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Why do you add a 3rd group when Christ only identified sheep and goats?

Read it carefully.

The sheep are examined as to how they treated the Lord's brothers, down to the least of them.

The goats are examined as to how they treated the Lord's brothers, down to the least of them.

That is three groups.

The least of the Lord's brothers are the PERSECUTED Jews and Christians under the reign of Antichrist.

The goat nations followed Antichrist. The sheep nations did not but feared God THE CREATOR. Perhaps by that time you will not be able to get your hands on a New Testament.

The sheep who were sympathetic to the refugee persecutees fleeing from Antichrist's kingdom, naked, starving, unclothed, imprisioned, though they seem to not know anything about Christ, are nonetheless rewarded.

I believe that they were enflenced by the preaching of the eternal gospel to fear God the Creator who is turning nature upside down by that time. Their fear of God the Creator has prompted them not to follow the Antichrist. And the refugee Jews and Christians have no one to be kind to them but these sheep nations.

Three groups.

Now it is evident that the least of these Christ brothers are not sheep. They have no opportunity to do these deeds because they themselves are under terrible persecution.

Originally posted by jaywill
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What in the world are you saying? You really don't see how mixed up all this stuff your saying is? It seems somehow your rearanging what the scriptures are so clear about and making it somehow fit what you want.
I've seen heard really strange stuff jay but this is right up there at the top.
The truth is simle ...[text shortened]... Do you have anything you would like me to clarify about receiving Christ, in all of this ?

The Bible is extremely clear that only the 144,000 are the ones that are Born again. You say your "not part" of the 144,000. You still don't answer "what group" you think your with that not only recieve the things the 144,000 do but somehow have a "higher position". Who again I ask is this mysterious 3rd group you think exist? I doubt that you'll answer as you keep avoiding it.
So this feeling of some type of extacy that you say is in you since your not part of the 144,000 is very suspect to me...

Originally posted by jaywill
Read it carefully.

The sheep are examined as to how they treated the Lord's brothers, down to the least of them.

The goats are examined as to how they treated the Lord's brothers, down to the least of them.

That is three groups.

The least of the Lord's brothers are the PERSECUTED Jews and Christians under the reign of Antichrist.

The goat ...[text shortened]... ave no opportunity to do these deeds because they themselves are under terrible persecution.

Assumptions and fabrication .. the source of all false doctrines.

Originally posted by galveston75
The Bible is extremely clear that only the 144,000 are the ones that are Born again. ...

Do you have a reference to support this statement?

Originally posted by menace71
I admit I like to come out swinging on JW's I love it when they come to my door. I'm usually in my freaking boxers LOL. I always go for the jugular and immediately starting talking about Christ & Who He is. I think I blame them partially for my sisters fall.




Manny

Keep bringing it..we love it all. You and others like you only confirm this scripture more. Thank you so much!!! Matt 24:9 ( Who of you can apply this to yourself?.....None!!!!)

Originally posted by galveston75
Keep bringing it..we love it all. You and others like you only confirm this scripture more. Thank you so much!!! Matt 24:9 ( Who of you can apply this to yourself?.....None!!!!)

Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Which are you?
Afflicted?
Killed?
Hated by all nations?

Nobody is doing any such thing here and that verse does not apply to the JWs. So your self-righteous attempts to make yourself into a martyr for Christ is pathetic.

What we are doing is identifying where your doctrine is astray. eg

- all the dozens of shamelessly false prophecies.
- superiority over other Christian sect by claiming to be the 144,000 when in fact those are ONLY of Jewish heritage of the 12 tribes of Israel.
- Only JWs will survive Armageddon as all other religions are wrong.
- the denying of Christ as the Son of God and calling him Michael the Archangel.
- that Christ has already returned in 1914 and will not return again.
- that no humans were promised life eternal when in fact Christ did make that promise.

None of the above bears any resemblance to the teachings of Christ. Therefore you cant claim to be persecuted for your Christianity because Jehovah Witnesses dont preach Christianity.

Edit : Christ warned to beware of false prophets. Thats all we are doing. Maybe with the hope that you will change as millions of former JWs have done.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Which are you?
Afflicted?
Killed?
Hated by all nations?

Nobody is doing any such thing here and that verse does not apply to the JWs. So your self-righteous attempts to make yourself into a martyr for Christ ...[text shortened]... laim to be persecuted for your Christianity because Jehovah Witnesses dont preach Christianity.

Hey everyone...Rajk999 is really "Rajk 666".... Just a joke but something to think about...Lol

Originally posted by galveston75
Hey everyone...Rajk999 is really "Rajk 666".... Just a joke but something to think about...Lol

i dont think its a joke, you could be on to something my friend, for Raj is a Hindi word, comes from Maharajah, meaning king or ruler, and six six six is the number of the beast, could be he is the ruler of the daemons!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i dont think its a joke, you could be on to something my friend, for Raj is a Hindi word, comes from Maharajah, meaning king or ruler, and six six six is the number of the beast, could be he is the ruler of the daemons!

You guys dont even have a good sense of humour.
I guess it has to be a JW characteristic.

Now this one I made about Galveston was funny.."

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Brains for sale. Like new, 53 yrs old, but been a Jehovah Witness from birth. You know what that means ... right ... never used the damn brains. Call 555-DUMB or email galveston@rajkiskickinghisbutt.com
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Originally posted by Rajk999
You guys dont even have a good sense of humour.
I guess it has to be a JW characteristic.

Now this one I made about Galveston was funny.."

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Hey .. want to make some quick money? Place this ad in the newspaper:

Brains for sale. Like new, 53 yrs old, but been a Jehovah Witness from birth. You know what that means ... right ... nev ...[text shortened]... rains. Call 555-DUMB or email galveston@rajkiskickinghisbutt.com
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thats not funny ,thats gay!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i dont think its a joke, you could be on to something my friend, for Raj is a Hindi word, comes from Maharajah, meaning king or ruler, and six six six is the number of the beast, could be he is the ruler of the daemons!

Well it's a true fact that Raj has nothing but evil intensions on these forums... He sure hasn't shown any true Christian qualities like love or wanting to help anyone. So sad that someone can get that far away from Jesus and his teachings.
Raj is Gay? Are you sure?