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Originally posted by divegeesterseeing that you like quotations from the watchtower, perhaps you would like to
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comment upon these?
1. The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have
not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425)
2. “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December
15, 1896, page 306)
3.The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does
not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean
that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and
without mistakes.” (May 15, 1947, page 157)
4.“The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.”
(August 15, 1950, page 263)
5.“The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not
inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at
times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views.
(Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.
26 May 12
Originally posted by divegeesterNo. On Thread 146196[/b] you have galveston75's whole viewpoint on the "God inspired" nature of JW's "printed materials". One has to read the whole thread to realize that galveston75 was being really very clear about what he said he believed, and that it cannot be explained away with 'the wrong word was used'.
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On the other hand Thread 146778 is where galveston75 has already started to respond and he has been confronted with quotes, as robbie knows full well.
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Originally posted by FMFperhaps you might like to make reference to the watchtower quotations above? or
No. On Thread 146196 you have galveston75's whole viewpoint on the "God inspired" nature of JW's "printed materials". One has to read the whole thread to realize that galveston75 was being really very clear about what he said he believed, and that it cannot be explained away with 'the wrong word was used'.
On the other hand [threadid]146778[ ...[text shortened]... dy started to respond and he has been confronted with quotes, as robbie knows full well.[/b]
continue your petty squabble with your accusations against the Gman!
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have to say on their own, these are good sayings. It is indeed refreshing to hear that you are not the sole holders of God's truth on earth and not the one and only church of Jesus Christ.
seeing that you like quotations from the watchtower, perhaps you would like to
comment upon these?
1. The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have
not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425)
2. “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December
15, 1896, page 306)
3 ...[text shortened]... y, as understanding became clearer, to correct views.
(Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.
Bless you.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe issue I have been addressing is the glimpse of what an ordinary JW like galveston75 really thinks. And we have that. You yourself have read what galveston75 wrote on the thread back in April. It's being discussed on the other thread, as you well know. His partial retraction and obfuscating insistence that he is also standing by the "meaning" of what he said, strikes me as pretty revealing.
perhaps you might like to make reference to the watchtower quotations above?
26 May 12
Originally posted by divegeesterno it doesn't say we are not the sole holders of Gods truth on earth, obviously we are
I have to say on their own, these are good sayings. It is indeed refreshing to hear that you are not the sole holders of God's truth on earth and not the one and only church of Jesus Christ.
Bless you.
but that's beside the point, it simply states that our publications are not inspired and
we are not infallible, nor have we ever claimed that our publications are inspired or our
members infallible. We do claim that Christ is the head of our church and that we are
pure awesomeness though.
26 May 12
Originally posted by FMFno i have no idea what you are talking about, April is aeons away and the Gman is a
The issue I have been addressing is the glimpse of what an ordinary JW like galveston75 really thinks. And we have that. You yourself have read what galveston75 wrote on the thread back in April. It's being discussed on the other thread, as you well know. His partial retraction and obfuscating insistence that he is also standing by the "meaning" of what he said, strikes me as pretty revealing.
faithful brother of many years experience who knows what he is talking about, his sons
and grandchildren are all faithful witnesses no doubt due to the Gmans efforts. He
knows what he meant and all you have provided is some unsubstantiated insinuations.
26 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell you're entitled to your opinion about what he said. He, however, has to answer for what he said, if he chooses to do so. And his response, including a limited retraction, has begun on the other thread.
no i have no idea what you are talking about, April is aeons away and the Gman is a
faithful brother of many years experience who knows what he is talking about, his sons
and grandchildren are all faithful witnesses no doubt due to the Gmans efforts. He
knows what he meant and all you have provided is some unsubstantiated insinuations.
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Originally posted by FMFdid i say unsubstantiated insinuations?, yeah, that's what i said.
Well you're entitled to your opinion about what he said. He, however, has to answer for what he said, if he chooses to do so. And his response, including a limited retraction, has begun on the other thread.
26 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis is something that you should point out in the beginning when you go door to door with your message.
seeing that you like quotations from the watchtower, perhaps you would like to
comment upon these?
1. The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have
not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425)
2. “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December
15, 1896, page 306)
3 ...[text shortened]... y, as understanding became clearer, to correct views.
(Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.
26 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat galveston75 said here on Thread 146196, worth reading in full, but the especially pertinent bits are pages 5, 6, 7 etc., is crystal clear and speaks for itself. He has already been trying to distance himself from it on the other thread by expressing regret for his use of the word inspired in "God inspired" when referring to The Watchtower. He has since been confronted with more verbatim quotes which indicate that he clearly needs to retract more than just that if he is going to clear this issue up. We await his further response.
did i say unsubstantiated insinuations?, yeah, that's what i said.
26 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf you claim that the JWs or the Watchtower Society are the sole holders of Gods truth on earth; then, you are teaching falsely. STOP IT!
no it doesn't say we are not the sole holders of Gods truth on earth, obviously we are
but that's beside the point, it simply states that our publications are not inspired and
we are not infallible, nor have we ever claimed that our publications are inspired or our
members infallible. We do claim that Christ is the head of our church and that we are
pure awesomeness though.
26 May 12
Originally posted by FMFso your engaged in some in some kind of witch-hunt, I hope you get what you came for.
What galveston75 said here on Thread 146196, worth reading in full, but the especially pertinent bits are pages 5, 6, 7 etc., is crystal clear and speaks for itself. He has already been trying to distance himself from it on the other thread by expressing regret for his use of the word inspired in "God inspired" when referring to The Watchtower. He ...[text shortened]... ract more than just that if he is going to clear this issue up. We await his further response.