Has the generation of 1914 passed away?

Originally posted by divegeester
Enjoy

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Well, not quite contemporaneous, but I enjoyed them nonetheless.

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Originally posted by FMF
Here's something that hasn't be clear to me. Is this, from the OP:

[b]"Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away."

...a prediction that has been held to be true? Or is it a prediction that is held to have been a mistake? I don ...[text shortened]... n unequivocal answer. Or did I miss it? Is it a correct prediction or mistaken prediction?[/b]

Now I'm certian you don't read my post or else you would know the answer to this question that you keep asking and that I clearly explained. My question is why don't you understand?

Originally posted by Rank outsider
I agree that the claim of being 'the sole holders of gods truth on earth' and claims of being 'fallible' are counter-intuitive. They are just not necessarily contradictory.

Just like claiming that removing traffic signs, or narrowing roads, can result in fewer accidents. Counter-intuitive, but it does not stop them being true in some cases.

I d ...[text shortened]... ston75 object to this description, but it would be interesting for me to read in context.

Seems interesting that for most of the USA's existance of a little over 200 years, this country has claimed to be under God's blessings and maybe in some special way like no other governments have, but yet it's been accepted by most in this country and yet not many have questioned that or shown to be irritated like they are when the JW's says this belief as a religion.
Seems a little hypocritical to me but oh well.

Originally posted by Rank outsider
Indeed. It could have a variety of meanings, which is why seeing it in some form of explanatory context might help.

I doubt JWs see themselves as a pure vessel, though. The sole 'holder' of gods truth on earth in this context would surely by the Bible. I suspect it implies some claim over understanding the truth of the Bible which no other body has.

But I agree with you that even this does not indicate infallibility.

Thanks again for you insight.
A couple things I don't understand as to why a few here can't understand is ALL humans are imperfect and ALL humans that God has dealt with all thru history have been imperfect with the only exception being his son Jesus.
But yet these here at RHP that constantly attacking and questioning us on making mistakes which I guess we are not allowed to.
All the humans that God protected and used for various reasons including the apostles were imperfect and made many mistakes including thinking that Jesus was there to restore his Kingdom to earth while he was here. They never grasped he wasn't until the very end of his ministry. So one could easly conclude they taught many that they spoke to in their ministry work that Jesus was indeed going to restore his Kingdom at that immediate time. Did he? No, so they were wrong in telling others that understanding.
But yet these here that can't understand there is a process in learning what is in the Bible, seem to be clueless to the term "misunderstanding".
And they still to this day do not understand what a prophecy is accordong to the Bible both good and bad ones.
I've posted that explination a few times here and they are either truly blind to it's meaning or they just don't care and attack out of hatred.
And in reality that is exactly how Jesus explained most would feel about his followers.

John 15:18-20
New Living Translation (NLT)

The World’s Hatred
18 “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first. 19 The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you. 20 Do you remember what I told you? ‘A slave is not greater than the master.’ Since they persecuted me, naturally they will persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you.

Originally posted by galveston75
Thanks again for you insight.
A couple things I don't understand as to why a few here can't understand is ALL humans are imperfect and ALL humans that God has dealt with all thru history have been imperfect with the only exception being his son Jesus.
But yet these here at RHP that constantly attacking and questioning us on making mistakes which I gu ...[text shortened]... ally they will persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you.

No comment on my posts from the previous page?

Originally posted by divegeester
No comment on my posts from the previous page?

Nope. Tired of waisting my time. You don't get it and thats that.

Originally posted by galveston75
Nope. Tired of waisting my time. You don't get it and thats that.

I'm only quoting from your leaders, what is there to 'not get'?

Originally posted by galveston75
My question is why don't you understand?

Because you were deliberately equivocal. You said that the prediction had come true, in part. And then when asked to explain, you resorted to a series of questions asking me to second guess what your answer would be, and in the end, you did not answer that question at all, and the whole thing was camouflaged with dismissive personal remarks and insistence that you'd already answered. You seemed defensive. Evasive. Teeing up a bit of deniability, just in case you were too unequivocal, and you had to face having to retract something. That is why I did not "understand".

Originally posted by FMF
Because you were deliberately equivocal. You said that the prediction [b]had come true, in part. And then when asked to explain, you resorted to a series of questions asking me to second guess what your answer would be, and in the end, you did not answer that question at all, and the whole thing was camouflaged with dismissive personal remarks and insistence ...[text shortened]... uivocal, and you had to face having to retract something. That is why I did not "understand".[/b]

Sorry but I've explained all I'm going to explain. Move on.

Originally posted by galveston75
Sorry but I've explained all I'm going to explain. Move on.

You said the prophecy in the OP had come true in part. Which part has come true?

Originally posted by Rank outsider
Looks pretty unequivocal to me.

galveston75 is claiming that the prediction in the OP has come true in part, but he refuses to explain. Between them, robbie and galveston75 are having it both ways, clearly. Maybe you are using the word "unequivocal" in a non-standard way?

Originally posted by FMF
galveston75 is claiming that the prediction in the OP has come true in part, but he refuses to explain. Between them, robbie and galveston75 are having it both ways, clearly. Maybe you are using the word "unequivocal" in a non-standard way?

Whatever. Move on.

Originally posted by galveston75
Thanks again for you insight.
A couple things I don't understand as to why a few here can't understand is ALL humans are imperfect and ALL humans that God has dealt with all thru history have been imperfect with the only exception being his son Jesus.
But yet these here at RHP that constantly attacking and questioning us on making mistakes which I gu ally they will persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you.

YOUR bogus claims that the WatchTower is inspired by God, YOUR and lack of understanding that people make mistakes is the reason why this thread is so long.

Originally posted by galveston75
Whatever. Move on.

I'd rather you responded to the 3 Watchtower/Russel quotes I posted on the previous page which are completely pertinent to the themes in this thread.

It's interesting how you you and robbie either dissappear or become uninterested at this point.

Originally posted by FMF
Because you were deliberately equivocal. You said that the prediction [b]had come true, in part. And then when asked to explain, you resorted to a series of questions asking me to second guess what your answer would be, and in the end, you did not answer that question at all, and the whole thing was camouflaged with dismissive personal remarks and insistence uivocal, and you had to face having to retract something. That is why I did not "understand".[/b]

The answer can be found here.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_10.htm

If I understand it correctly, JWs believe that the part of the prophecy that relates to Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914.

However, we have not yet reached the end of the last days when the present wicked world will come to an end and be replaced with an earthly paradise. So that part of the prophecy has not come true yet, though they believe it will soon.

There is more information on what this involves here:

http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/article_09.htm

Interestingly, Mathew 24:36 states:

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

So, if your point is that the JWs have not been able to pinpoint the exact time when this will occur, well then that rather proves the Bible got it spot on!

I hope this is suitably unequivocal.