Has the generation of 1914 passed away?

Originally posted by Rank outsider
The answer can be found here.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_10.htm

If I understand it correctly, JWs believe that the part of the prophecy that relates to Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914.

However, we have not yet reached the end of the last days when the present wicked world will come to an end and be replace ...[text shortened]... , well then that rather proves the Bible got it spot on!

I hope this is suitably unequivocal.

I think the quotes from page 25 are pretty much unequivocal about the date 1914, to what it pertains, and the JW view of how the Watchtower virtually equates to the Bible.

Your strange instance that there is mileage in the tenuous position you are defending, is well fitting with the rest of the 26 pages of JW bluster and obfuscation around the matter.

Originally posted by divegeester
I think the quotes from page 25 are pretty much unequivocal about the date 1914, to what it pertains, and the JW view of how the Watchtower virtually equates to the Bible.

Your strange instance that there is mileage in the tenuous position you are defending, is well fitting with the rest of the 26 pages of JW bluster and obfuscation around the matter.

id rather read Rank outsiders reasonable posts than your unsubstantiated opinions,
which lets face it, have no relevancy to anyone but you.

Originally posted by divegeester
I think the quotes from page 25 are pretty much unequivocal about the date 1914, to what it pertains, and the JW view of how the Watchtower virtually equates to the Bible.

Your strange instance that there is mileage in the tenuous position you are defending, is well fitting with the rest of the 26 pages of JW bluster and obfuscation around the matter.

Well, a question was asked, and I gave a response, with links to contemporaneous material. It answers the question that was posed.

By the same token, I asked for contemporaneous material, and you gave me quotes, one of which is 102 years old and another 121 years old.

If you asked me about the Church of England's views on issues such as women priests, or homosexuality, I don't thihk you would expect me to quote passages from a text that wasn't even published in the last century.

I am more concerned with finding out what people believe today, rather than harking back to mistakes that were made in the distant past.

As you know, I am reading the Bible at the moment, and I have lots of questions. I would hope that you would be willing to help me understand the answers. Ditto Robbie and galveston75. But if you guys are just going to tear strips off one another when your views don't coincide, I will just plough my own course.

I know I have said this before, but that really is my last post on this thread.

Maybe 🙂

Originally posted by Rank outsider
The answer can be found here.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_10.htm

If I understand it correctly, JWs believe that the part of the prophecy that relates to Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914.

However, we have not yet reached the end of the last days when the present wicked world will come to an end and be replace ...[text shortened]... paradise. So that part of the prophecy has not come true yet, though they believe it will soon.

So they've got it both wrong AND right?

"Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914", you reckon they got that right? But...

"...world will come to an end and be replaced with an earthly paradise", they got that wrong?

These 'balance out' in some way?

I hope this is suitably unequivocal.

Is it?

Originally posted by FMF
So they've got it both wrong AND right?

"Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914", you reckon they got that right? But...

"...world will come to an end and be replaced with an earthly paradise", they got that wrong?

These 'balance out' in some way?

[b]I hope this is suitably unequivocal.

Is it?[/b]

what part of 'hasn't been fulfilled yet', dont you understand?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what part of 'hasn't been fulfilled yet', dont you understand?

What I understand is that it 'hasn't been fulfilled yet' and 'it has come true in part' are quite simply not the same thing.

galveston75 said it had come true in part.

Originally posted by FMF
What I understand is that it 'hasn't been fulfilled yet' and 'it has come true in part' are quite simply not the same thing.

galveston75 said it had come true in part.

so how does , 'not been fulfilled yet' and 'it has come true in part', equate to, 'got it
wrong'. Which part have we got wrong, you have not said.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Which part have we got wrong, you have not said.

I have asked exactly this over and over again. Which part is wrong and which part is right? galveston75 has refused to say.

"Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914" you say. How so? Because you say so? You are claiming this bit is not mistaken?

"...world will come to an end and be replaced with an earthly paradise", you got that wrong? But didn't you just "say so" in this case like the other?

Originally posted by FMF
What I understand is that it 'hasn't been fulfilled yet' and 'it has come true in part' are quite simply not the same thing.

galveston75 said it had come true in part.

This really, really is the last time.

There are two parts to the prophecy as I set it out. The first part has been fulfilled, the second has not but will be in due course. So it has come true in part. It does not mean that some part has been shown to be false. We were not debating whether the part of the prophecy which JWs believe has come true could be shown to be demonstrably true a la googlefudge, though JWs believe that there is contemporary evidence for this. This is what JWs believe.

Even if you think the wording could have been better, just accept that this is what was intended.

Over and out.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
id rather read Rank outsiders reasonable posts than your unsubstantiated opinions,
which lets face it, have no relevancy to anyone but you.

Which of the 3 Watchtower quotes pertaining to all my claims in this thread are you sugesting are incorrect?

Originally posted by Rank outsider
Well, a question was asked, and I gave a response, with links to contemporaneous material. It answers the question that was posed.

By the same token, I asked for contemporaneous material, and you gave me quotes, one of which is 102 years old and another 121 years old.

If you asked me about the Church of England's views on issues such as women pr ...[text shortened]...
I know I have said this before, but that really is my last post on this thread.

Maybe 🙂

What has the age of the quote got to do with it's alledged accuracy?

Unless you are suggesting JW truth has a sell-by date?

Originally posted by FMF
I have asked exactly this over and over again. Which part is wrong and which part is right? galveston75 has refused to say.

"Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914" you say. How so? Because you say so? You are claiming this bit is [b]not mistaken?

"...world will come to an end and be replaced with an earthly paradise", you got that wrong? But didn't you just "say so" in this case like the other?[/b]

How's your head from all the banging it against the proverbial brick wall!

Originally posted by Rank outsider
This really, really is the last time.

you said your definitely out of this thread about 4 times now; which of these four is the one we should believe - or is it down to "interpretation" or which one was the newest?

Originally posted by Rank outsider
There are two parts to the prophecy as I set it out. The first part has been fulfilled, the second has not but will be in due course. So it has come true in part.

Which part has "come true"?

Originally posted by Rank outsider
If you asked me about the Church of England's views on issues such as women priests, or homosexuality, I don't think you would expect me to quote passages from a text that wasn't even published in the last century.

This thoroughly disingenuous 'point' of yours is yet another little clue that you surely have your tongue in cheek. Issues such women priests or homosexuality are intertwined with receding social conservatism and discrimination, and as such, are inherently about the passage of time. Predicting the end of the world, and putting a specific time stamp on it, has nothing to do with norms/values/mores or cultural change. Comparing the stated raison d'etre/status for the JW organisation, and claims with regard to "the six volumes of Scripture Studies", as laid out by its founder, to the Church of England's changing views on certain issues is a gratuitous red herring [which is now flapping around on the riverbank, having been tipped out of my net]. 😀