31 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAccording to Raj?
So Jesus will leave heaven and rule in literal Jerusalem upon the throne of David,
according to Raj, do you think that he will materialise and de-materialise between the
two spheres when needed? Kazooow and hes is sitting in Jerusalem and Kasaaaow hes
zapped back to heaven as King od Gods Kingdom? Interesting concept.
According to the Bible. Seekers of Bible truth quote Bible verses verbatim. No need for interpretation or opinions.
WatchTower reinterpret and re-write hence all the mistakes and retracting and more re-writing and more retracting.
Christ can come and go as he pleases.
31 May 12
Originally posted by Rajk999Its a Christadelphian teaching that the literal nation of Israel, despite their wars,
According to Raj?
According to the Bible. Seekers of Bible truth quote Bible verses verbatim. No need for interpretation or opinions.
WatchTower reinterpret and re-write hence all the mistakes and retracting and more re-writing and more retracting.
Christ can come and go as he pleases.
persecution of their neighbours etc, will host the Christ. Not a Biblical teaching for
its fatally flawed, why, it fails to understand what New Jerusalem is and what a
'Spiritual Jew' is, furthermore Christ himself states of literal Israel,
(Matthew 21:42-44) . . .Jesus said to them: “Did you never read in the Scriptures,
‘The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief
cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvellous in our eyes’?
This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be
given to a nation producing its fruits. Also, the person falling upon this stone will
be shattered. As for anyone upon whom it falls, it will pulverize him.”
clearly because they rejected the Christ and have failed to produce the fruitage of
the Kingdom, they were as a nation, rejected by God, yet if we are to believe you,
this is not the case. Sorry but ill give credence to the Christ if you dont mind.
31 May 12
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat you believe and what the Bible says are two different things. NO mention of a second throne. Try again.
I believe Christ may have two thrones - one in Heaven and one on Earth. Christ is the one prophecied to sit on David's throne. David's throne was in Jerusalem.
What is the Throne of Christ? In Luke, the angel speaks to Mary saying that her son, Jesus Christ, would inherit the throne of David.
Luke 1:32-33 He shall be great, and shall be called the So ...[text shortened]... t&catid=58:bible-studies&Itemid=26
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/dispen/davidthr.htm
31 May 12
Originally posted by Rajk999"Seekers of the truth quote Bible verses verbatum? Humm. Still afraid to discuss that scripture you keep runnning from?
According to Raj?
According to the Bible. Seekers of Bible truth quote Bible verses verbatim. No need for interpretation or opinions.
WatchTower reinterpret and re-write hence all the mistakes and retracting and more re-writing and more retracting.
Christ can come and go as he pleases.
31 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat Robbie? Did you know that Rajk and RJH have been going over to Jerusalem and have personally built that throne for Jesus to sit on while he's taking that turn to flesh from spirit? Man you should see that thing. All polished, shiny and sparkly!!!!
Its a Christadelphian teaching that the literal nation of Israel, despite their wars,
persecution of their neighbours etc, will host the Christ. Not a Biblical teaching for
its fatally flawed, why, it fails to understand what New Jerusalem is and what a
'Spiritual Jew' is, furthermore Christ himself states of literal Israel,
(Matthew 21:42- ...[text shortened]... ieve you,
this is not the case. Sorry but ill give credence to the Christ if you dont mind.
And for all humans to see him when he does show up, there is a really big line that's all ready started, so we all better head on over there and get our place in line. But the last I heard it's up to 947,080,4700 people now so we'd better hurry up.
Hey I'll pick you up on the way..OK?
01 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobie“And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.
So Jesus will leave heaven and rule in literal Jerusalem upon the throne of David,
according to Raj, do you think that he will materialise and de-materialise between the
two spheres when needed? Kazooow and hes is sitting in Jerusalem and Kasaaaow hes
zapped back to heaven as King od Gods Kingdom? Interesting concept.
Revelation 21:2-4..... and the New Jerusalem is coming down from where? Out of Heaven!! If it's coming down out of Heaven then it is going where? It's coming to Earth 🙂 So you guys are partly right in as much as God is coming back to rule in the new heavens and earth in which He creates. There will be an earthy paradise but I contend it will be Heaven in the sense that were God dwells is Heaven. Also there will be no division among God's people. No class that lives in Heaven while the rest live on earth. The two will be united. God will dwell among man His words not mine.
Manny
01 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHas God totally rejected Israel ?
Its a Christadelphian teaching that the literal nation of Israel, despite their wars,
persecution of their neighbours etc, will host the Christ. Not a Biblical teaching for
its fatally flawed, why, it fails to understand what New Jerusalem is and what a
'Spiritual Jew' is, furthermore Christ himself states of literal Israel,
(Matthew 21:42- ...[text shortened]... ieve you,
this is not the case. Sorry but ill give credence to the Christ if you dont mind.
Romans 11 says No.
I'm in the middle on this and I believe it is scriptural to say God still loves the Jewish people but has allowed the Gentiles to become Jews by faith
Manny
01 Jun 12
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Originally posted by galveston75The Earth is round and it rotates. So when he comes back in the clouds every eye will see him as he goes around the Earth or the Earth rotates to reveal him in the air. Others will see him on Television. Ha, ha, 😀
So explain how "every eye will see him" if he is coming back to earth as a human and will be sitting on a throne and when this will happen? Will it be before the earth is destroyed as some here believe or after he creates a new one?
I would prefer scriptural proof of these events......
Then the bible says once the Lord is sitting on His throne in Jerusalem, all the people of the Earth will be required to go to Jerusalem to see Him.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
(Zechariah 14:16 NKJV)
All the Dead will see Him at the judgment resurrection.
01 Jun 12
Originally posted by menace71clearly Jesus think otherwise, or care to explain the verse?
Has God totally rejected Israel ?
Romans 11 says No.
I'm in the middle on this and I believe it is scriptural to say God still loves the Jewish people but has allowed the Gentiles to become Jews by faith
Manny
(Matthew 21:42-44) . . .Jesus said to them: “Did you never read in the Scriptures,
‘The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief
cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvellous in our eyes’?
This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be
given to a nation producing its fruits. Also, the person falling upon this stone will
be shattered. As for anyone upon whom it falls, it will pulverize him.”
01 Jun 12
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Originally posted by menace71so? someone can see God and live? I see, how interesting, a contradiction of Gods
“And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their ive on earth. The two will be united. God will dwell among man His words not mine.
Manny
own words. Clearly you are unable to put the constituent parts together so as to see
the whole, did not Jesus say that he would be with the disciples as they preached the
good news until the conclusion of the system, did that mean that Jesus was literally with
the disciples, but wait, that's what the verse states, i will be with you according to your
logic and yet Christ remained in the heavens the whole time. Does God literally need
to be with mankind in some kind of bodily form to actually be with them, hardly. God is
a spirit., as the Christ reminds us, he does not dwell in handmade temples as Paul
reminds us, could it be that your unwillingness to consider anything other than a literal
interpretation has skewered your understanding, clearly as these verses indicate.
Please not the verse states the tent of God will be with mankind, i.e. a tent being a
protection, a place of refuge from the elements,illustrating Gods protection.
Apart from all that you have assumed that Christ is God.
01 Jun 12
Originally posted by galveston75sure, can we teleport there like in Stark Trek , that's if the Israelis let us in.
What Robbie? Did you know that Rajk and RJH have been going over to Jerusalem and have personally built that throne for Jesus to sit on while he's taking that turn to flesh from spirit? Man you should see that thing. All polished, shiny and sparkly!!!!
And for all humans to see him when he does show up, there is a really big line that's all ready star ...[text shortened]... 947,080,4700 people now so we'd better hurry up.
Hey I'll pick you up on the way..OK?
01 Jun 12
Originally posted by Rajk999The Watchtower teach many things different than Christians do because they believe Jehovah is the name of God the Father. They don't like the idea of Hell so they teach it is just the grave, and on and on it goes.
Sounds like correct Bible teaching. However the WatchTower teaches something different.
01 Jun 12
Originally posted by RJHindsAnd guess what? It's the truth and you as of yet proved to the contrary it isn't. Even your friend JayWill uses the name Jehovah in most of his postings, yet you never attack him on that.
The Watchtower teach many things different than Christians do because they believe Jehovah is the name of God the Father. They don't like the idea of Hell so they teach it is just the grave, and on and on it goes.
But in fact NO ONE takes yopu seriously on much of anything. So nothing new here either but I still wonder why you take the time to post at all? No one listens to anything you say other then for a good laugh or two..
01 Jun 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieCan you imagine what that part of the world would be like if Jesus were to show up there as some believe? Oh my if Jesus somehow didn't control that mess that's over there in an instant, they would all kill each other within 24 hours claiming that he belonged to them as each and every other faction would be doing and kill anyone or anything in the process.
sure, can we teleport there like in Stark Trek , that's if the Israelis let us in.
The thing that gets me about the belief that he's coming back to earth is first, it's not ever said in the Bible that he will be on this planet as a human ever again and that they don't understand the throne issue as in where the Bible cleary states it's location which is beside his father's in heaven, and they don't give any credit that Jesus is very capable of ruling from there. They tend to down grade his abilities and the arrangement that has been in the plans ever since Adam sinned.
So there is absolutely no need for Jesus to come back to earth.