31 May 12
Originally posted by FMFOh my. I don't know why I'll answer this because I know where it will go but Jesus never said he was coming back to earth as a human to reign as King ever anywhere in the Bible. He returned to heaven as a spirit and will be a spirit forever. So when he took his seat to be our King and to first cleanze the heaven of all evil as he did so in 1914 according to the descriptions in the Bible, then his rule began.
I have asked exactly this over and over again. Which part is wrong and which part is right? galveston75 has refused to say.
"Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914" you say. How so? Because you say so? You are claiming this bit is [b]not mistaken?
"...world will come to an end and be replaced with an earthly paradise", you got that wrong? But didn't you just "say so" in this case like the other?[/b]
I can show you from the scriptures but as of yet I know you don't read them and I'll be waisting my time....Right?
But the point is we can not see spirits as Jesus is and we have no way to see with our eyes what is in heaven. So as far flung as that is to your understanding that part of those scriptures are fulfilled.
And yes the earth has not been cleanzed as heaven was by Jesus because it is not time yet. When it is time it will happen and the situation you think should have been fulfulled by now, will finally be fulfilled.
The issue here is you and most do not understand because you have not researched it, asked God for understanding and allowed him to teach you. So as long as those things have not been purseud by you and the others here, you will not see it. But it can be learned, I promise.
31 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75So let's get this straight. You got the prediction quoted in the OP wrong. You got the 'end of the earth as we know it' bit wrong. You got the 'generation-of-1914' bit wrong. But you got the "Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914" thing right, is that what you're claiming? And you reckon you've got 'the 1914 thing' right with regard to the Heavenly King thing, although you didn't get 'the 1914 thing' right with regard to the 'end of the earth as we know it' thing, that's what you're saying?
So when [Jesus] took his seat to be our King and to first cleanze the heaven of all evil as he did so in 1914 according to the descriptions in the Bible, then his rule began.
31 May 12
Originally posted by FMFAbsolutly not. READ MY POSTINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The answers have been given to you OVER and OVER and OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So let's get this straight. You got the prediction quoted in the OP wrong. You got the 'end of the earth as we know it' bit wrong. You got the 'generation-of-1914' bit wrong. But you got the "Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914" thing right, is that what you're claiming? And you reckon you've got 'the 1914 thing' right with regard to the Hea ...[text shortened]... gard to the 'end of the earth as we know it' thing, that's what you're saying?
31 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75The stuff about Jesus being installed as Heavenly King coming true in 1914 comes from the link you gave me. It's ludicrous that anyone would take your "word" on that when you and your organisation were wrong about everything else, and are wrong about such assertions and predictions time and time and time again.
Absolutly not. READ MY POSTINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The answers have been given to you OVER and OVER and OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
31 May 12
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Originally posted by galveston75What utter rubbish! Jesus said he was coming back to Earth. Angels said the same thing. Prophets said the same thing. The Bible is full of passages saying clearly or implying the return of Christ to Earth. Christ is not a human anymore so why would he return as a human. He will return in whatever form he is ? The important thing is he will return.
.. Jesus never said he was coming back to earth as a human to reign as King ever anywhere in the Bible....
The Watchtower has perverted the doctrine and teachings of Christ and made a mockery of God with all their nonsense prophesies.
Zech 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives..
Matt 25:31-32 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
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Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jude 1:14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
31 May 12
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Originally posted by Rajk999and where is the Christ at present? Ruling in the heavens, thank you! thank you! we
What utter rubbish! Jesus said he was coming back to Earth. Angels said the same thing. Prophets said the same thing. The Bible is full of passages saying clearly or implying the return of Christ to Earth. Christ is not a human anymore so why would he return as a human. He will return in whatever form he is ? The important thing is he will return.
The W ...[text shortened]... committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.[/quote]
are the people.
31 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75If the Christ is not going to return physically to the earth someday then what does this scripture mean? Why were these men saying this?
Oh my. I don't know why I'll answer this because I know where it will go but Jesus never said he was coming back to earth as a human to reign as King ever anywhere in the Bible. He returned to heaven as a spirit and will be a spirit forever. So when he took his seat to be our King and to first cleanze the heaven of all evil as he did so in 1914 according ...[text shortened]... n purseud by you and the others here, you will not see it. But it can be learned, I promise.
taken from www.biblegateway.com
NASB version
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Manny
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Originally posted by FMFactually the 1914 thing is wrong also technically speaking Christ sat down at the right hand of the Father about 2000 years ago but He was always with God and well John 1:1 explains that part. So briefly 33 years Christ came to earth then after the cross He rose again and eventually went back to heaven. Now He did say He would return again one more time.
So let's get this straight. You got the prediction quoted in the OP wrong. You got the 'end of the earth as we know it' bit wrong. You got the 'generation-of-1914' bit wrong. But you got the "Jesus being installed as Heavenly King came true in 1914" thing right, is that what you're claiming? And you reckon you've got 'the 1914 thing' right with regard to the Hea gard to the 'end of the earth as we know it' thing, that's what you're saying?
This is indeed classic Christianity at least in regard to these things.
Manny
31 May 12
Originally posted by Rajk999First Zech 14:4 is speaking of Jehovah, not Jesus. Has nothing with this subject.
What utter rubbish! Jesus said he was coming back to Earth. Angels said the same thing. Prophets said the same thing. The Bible is full of passages saying clearly or implying the return of Christ to Earth. Christ is not a human anymore so why would he return as a human. He will return in whatever form he is ? The important thing is he will return.
The W ...[text shortened]... committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.[/quote]
Matt 25:31-32 say Jesus will be on his throne. Where is this throne again? At the right hand of his Father, Jehovah. Acts 2: 32-36 and others scriptures confirm this. So where is his Fathers thrown? On earth? No it is clearly in heaven unless you can prove with scripture differently. Also the angels are spirit beings and live in heaven in their realm, not on earth.
Acts 1: 9-11. Read what this scripture is saying. How did they see Jesus when these angels made this comment? Was Jesus in the flesh or was he a spirit? And who were these man that saw him? Were they going to be here on earth when they were going to see him again? No. they would eventually be resurrected to heaven and would be in spirit form. They would never see Jesus in a fleshly form again.
The angels only approached those coule men and never said to humans in general that they were going to see Jesus again. Only the annointed will see Jesus again once they are resurrected to heaven where Jesus is at and awaiting all their accention.
Matt 24:3 has nothing to do with this subject as this is speaking of Jesus while he WAS here on earth. Nothing to do with some later return.
Matt 24:30 clearly says SIGNS of Jesus in HEAVEN. Signs are needed to let us know where he is as we can't see him? You think? If he was on earth why the signs and why does it say he is in heaven???????????????????????
And yes all eyes will see him means all the ones in heaven will of course see him as they are there with him. And all on earth will see they "SIGNS" of his presance and see the results of his rule. Remember again the scripture you just quoted says he is where? In HEAVEN.............NO where in even just one scripture does it say he will ever walk on this planet again. NO WHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And again and again and again. Jesus has no need to ever come back to earth. The scriptures clearly say he will be sitting beside his Father in heaven, not earth.
Also this scripture at Acts says about Jesus:
Acts 13:32-37
Amplified Bible (AMP)
32 So now we are bringing you the good news (Gospel) that what God promised to our forefathers,
33 This He has [a]completely fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus, as it is written in the second psalm, You are My Son; today I have begotten You [[b]caused You to arise, to be born; [c]formally shown You to be the Messiah by the resurrection].
34 And as to His having raised Him from among the dead, ((((( now no more to return to [undergo] putrefaction and dissolution [of the grave])))))), He spoke in this way, I will fulfill and give to you the holy and sure mercy and blessings [that were promised and assured] to David.
Do you see and get the point here in the line I highlighted at all? If not let me help. Jesus is a spirit and lives in heaven. He did what he sat out to do as a human, a sacrifice for all humans. He was resurrected and was given immortality and sat down at his Fathers side to rule us.
There is absolutly NO reason for him to come back to earth. He is very capeable of ruling from heaven with his angels and the annointed.
IF he were to come back as a human he could die again as he once did if someone decided to do that to him. He was hated once and killed for that so it could happen again.
But the scripture above clearly says he would never, never again be exposed to any corruption or danger or the grave as he was while here on earth 2000 years ago.
Now again. If you can show (((((((((((( 1 ))))))))))))))))) scripture or statement in the bible that says he will once again walk this planet as a human, I'd love to see it.
31 May 12
Originally posted by menace71No where does it say this throne is on earth.
If the Christ is not going to return physically to the earth someday then what does this scripture mean? Why were these men saying this?
taken from www.biblegateway.com
NASB version
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the ro ...[text shortened]... h of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Manny
31 May 12
Originally posted by menace7135 years.
actually the 1914 thing is wrong also technically speaking Christ sat down at the right hand of the Father about 2000 years ago but He was always with God and well John 1:1 explains that part. So briefly 33 years Christ came to earth then after the cross He rose again and eventually went back to heaven. Now He did say He would return again one more time.
This is indeed classic Christianity at least in regard to these things.
Manny
31 May 12
Originally posted by menace71No scriptures say Jesus was sitting on any thrown at any time until he sat down beside his Father after what events happened? See if you can find those events.
actually the 1914 thing is wrong also technically speaking Christ sat down at the right hand of the Father about 2000 years ago but He was always with God and well John 1:1 explains that part. So briefly 33 years Christ came to earth then after the cross He rose again and eventually went back to heaven. Now He did say He would return again one more time.
This is indeed classic Christianity at least in regard to these things.
Manny
Also your going to have a hard time with the trinity here with this throne issue.