"How can a God of love send anybody to Hell?"

Originally posted by RJHinds
Jesus said that He never knew them.

Here is the reference for Christ saying he never knew them:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: (Matthew 7:21-24 KJV)


It applies to those who did not follow his commandments, and those who accepted him with their mouth .. like saying Lord Lord with your mouth and not changing your heart.

FMF was probably tired of hypocritical Christians and moved on. You do not know anything about what he did with his life subsequent to that or whether or not Christ will accept him.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It does to me.

Dog and vomit. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Here is the reference for Christ saying he never knew them:

[i]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many won ...[text shortened]... ing about what he did with his life subsequent to that or whether or not Christ will accept him.

FMF was probably tired of hypocritical Christians and moved on. You do not know anything about what he did with his life subsequent to that or whether or not Christ will accept him.

We don't know because he will not tell us, even though we asked him questions about it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
We don't know because he will not tell us, even though we asked him questions about it.

I have been talking about it and starting threads about it for more than half a decade here. If you seriously cannot deduce what spiritual and intellectual 'objections' I have to the claims that Christians make about Jesus from what may be 10,000 or more posts that I have written on this forum on a whole range of Christianity related subjects, including probably 100s of thread topics that I initiated, then so be it.

Originally posted by FMF
I have been talking about it and starting threads about it for more than half a decade here. If you seriously cannot deduce what spiritual and intellectual 'objections' I have to the claims that Christians make about Jesus from what may be 10,000 or more posts that I have written on this forum on a whole range of Christianity related subjects, including probably 100s of thread topics that I initiated, then so be it.

That was not what we were referring to, my little man.

Originally posted by KellyJay
My extreme beliefs?
You have beliefs and so do I! You must think very highly of yourself to go
on about those that do not line up with you are the extreme ones. If you
don't care about my interpretation of scripture when discussing faith, just
go on to someone else who does not have a clue why they believe what they
do. You I guess believe in something ...[text shortened]... hall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

But it doesn't say...and please read this very slowly...it doesn't say:

"He will be in danger of being tortured through eternal burning while God watches.

A second death through "hell fire" is not the same, nowhere near the same as eternal life in a furnace (- why can't my words resonate through your concrete dogmatic head).

So why do believe it?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yeah, I can tell that.

And that is a good thing.

The big problem here is your alleged god being a know all being would have known before people were born if they were destined for you hell. So the fact these people exist must mean this god has forced destiny in those people and they are being repurposed to hell for some reason we could never know about since we could never deduce the motives of such a being so it would be playing at a game beyond human understanding and as such not worthy of being the object of worship but rather a being to be avoided at all cost.

For instance, the concept of hell could just be a ruse and just taking these people to populate another universe for some reason or other. There is no way for us to tell if there is such a place as hell.

Originally posted by KellyJay
My extreme beliefs?
You have beliefs and so do I! You must think very highly of yourself to go
on about those that do not line up with you are the extreme ones.

I believe there is a god who has redeemed mankind. This is not an extreme belief.

I believe there is a second death and that it is instant. This is not an extreme belief. (Note: although I acknowledge that to non-theists even this would seem extreme).

I believe that because of john 3:16 and many many scripture stating that mercy "triumphs over judgement", that eternal suffering is completely and categorically against the nature of God. This is not an extreme belief.

You on the other hand believe...

You believe that a child of Jehovah's Witness parents who want to deny her life saving medical treatment, should be allowed to let their daughter die or their conscience will be damaged. This is an extreme belief.

You believe that the Christian god has created a place where every infidel (non Christian believer) will be eternally tortured in a place of flesh melting incineration while god watches. This is an extreme belief.

You Kelly are a Christian fundamentalist extremist who holds extreme beliefs which I believe are detrimental to society as a whole and the Gospel of Jesus Christ specifically.

Clear enough?

Originally posted by sonhouse
And that is a good thing.

The big problem here is your alleged god being a know all being would have known before people were born if they were destined for you hell. So the fact these people exist must mean this god has forced destiny in those people and they are being repurposed to hell for some reason we could never know about since we could never ded ...[text shortened]... verse for some reason or other. There is no way for us to tell if there is such a place as hell.

God has programmed us with free will. It is up to us as to to choose to receive everlasting life or everlasting torment by our actions. We only know somethings, like hell, by revelation from God.

Originally posted by RJHinds
God has programmed us with free will. It is up to us as to to choose to receive everlasting life or everlasting torment by our actions. We only know somethings, like hell, by revelation from God.

The problem there is your god would have known which person will go which way with the free will thing. It knows in advance who is going to hell if your assinine story is true. So the fact it created them at all says it is not a loving god at all but a cosmic level cruel one.

You cannot deny it knew before they were born which person was destined for hell. Otherwise it would not have been the all knowing being projected by your bible.

A god to avoid at all costs.

Originally posted by sonhouse
The problem there is your god would have known which person will go which way with the free will thing. It knows in advance who is going to hell if your assinine story is true. So the fact it created them at all says it is not a loving god at all but a cosmic level cruel one.

You cannot deny it knew before they were born which person was destined for he ...[text shortened]... ld not have been the all knowing being projected by your bible.

A god to avoid at all costs.

You are missing the point. The point is not what God knows, but that God gave man free will to choose life or death. What God knows is irrelevant to that.

Originally posted by RJHinds

FMF was probably tired of hypocritical Christians and moved on. You do not know anything about what he did with his life subsequent to that or whether or not Christ will accept him.

We don't know because he will not tell us, even though we asked him questions about it.

It is not for YOU to know or decide who is a Christian.
Why do you people take such things upon yourselves.
A man says he is Christian .. you say OK
A man says he is not ,,, OK
A man says he used to be one .. OK.

What is so hard about that.

Originally posted by divegeester
I believe there is a god who has redeemed mankind.

Clear enough?

No.

Please explain how this god you believe in has redeemed mankind.

If you can.

Originally posted by Rajk999
It is not for YOU to know or decide who is a Christian.
Why do you people take such things upon yourselves.
A man says he is Christian .. you say OK
A man says he is not ,,, OK
A man says he used to be one .. OK.

What is so hard about that.

It's hard to explain to you how much of the scripture you leave out of your arguments, but the scripture clearly teaches us what a Christian believes. That belief is expressed in what comes out of the mouth.

For example: you say that a Christian is a Christian because of what he does, i.e. follow the commands of Jesus.

You yourself have prescribed what it takes to be a Christian. Now you have the nerve to question someone else's prescribed idea of what it takes to be a Christian.

Hypocrisy

Originally posted by josephw
It's hard to explain to you how much of the scripture you leave out of your arguments, but the scripture clearly teaches us what a Christian believes. That belief is expressed in what comes out of the mouth.

For example: you say that a Christian is a Christian because of what he does, i.e. follow the commands of Jesus.

You yourself have prescribed wha ...[text shortened]... erve to question someone else's prescribed idea of what it takes to be a Christian.

Hypocrisy

Yes I can tell what it takes to follow Christ.

BUT . BUT...

I never ask anyone, neither am I ever interested in whether or not they actually follow Christ or if they are Christian.

KJ and Hinds maybe, are trying to decide if FMF once was, is now, ever was etc etc ... a Christian. I dont do that.

I doubt you will understand the difference.