27 Jul 14
Originally posted by Rajk999Because you don't do it, doesn't mean nobody else can. You are not the decider-in-chief.
Yes I can tell what it takes to follow Christ.
BUT . BUT...
I never ask anyone, neither am I ever interested in whether or not they actually follow Christ or if they are Christian.
KJ and Hinds maybe, are trying to decide if FMF once was, is now, ever was etc etc ... a Christian. I dont do that.
I doubt you will understand the difference.
27 Jul 14
Originally posted by RJHindsSorry, I am NOT missing the 'point'. Your alleged god allegedly gave us free will but that is not the case. Since it knew in advance who will be naughty and who will be nice, that is not free will, that is programming set up in advance for some hidden purpose.
You are missing the point. The point is not what God knows, but that God gave man free will to choose life or death. What God knows is irrelevant to that.
That is of course assuming all this clap trap is true. I am just showing you the logical consequences of such BS.
27 Jul 14
Originally posted by Rajk999Excuse me? Never did what? If they knew the Lord and left, they then have
You are probably not in a good position to say all that. The New testament has many people who once had God in their lives and then changed after. They became outcasts. You cannot say that they never did. That is your problem. You cannot accept that someone will change if they really did have God at one point. It can happen.
to say that they walked away from the Lord. If they say I don't believe it,
it isn't real, well what did they walk away from, nothing! They didn't have
something real to walk away from. Either way, bottom line, they reject
the Lord no matter how they word it.
Kelly
27 Jul 14
Originally posted by sonhouseAll that you are showing me is BS.
Sorry, I am NOT missing the 'point'. Your alleged god allegedly gave us free will but that is not the case. Since it knew in advance who will be naughty and who will be nice, that is not free will, that is programming set up in advance for some hidden purpose.
That is of course assuming all this clap trap is true. I am just showing you the logical consequences of such BS.
27 Jul 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI'm not the one saying "tortured through eternal burning" that is you.
But it doesn't say...and please read this very slowly...it doesn't say:
"He will be in danger of being tortured through eternal burning while God watches.
A second death through "hell fire" is not the same, nowhere near the same as eternal life in a furnace (- why can't my words resonate through your concrete dogmatic head).
So why do believe it?
Show me where it says that?
I've given you scripture on why I think it lasts forever and reasons why.
Kelly
27 Jul 14
Originally posted by RJHindsOF COURSE you see all that as BS since your cognitive dissonance stops your brain from actually thinking about the issue, getting stopped before you can even contemplate what I am saying, underneath all the posturing. It clearly shows your deep conditioning. You are unable to think clearly and have not been able to do independent thinking for decades.
All that you are showing me is BS.
The last 10th century man.
27 Jul 14
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Originally posted by KellyJayOh. So. now you are saying that "forever" is not eternal? But it's still a long time right? Or is it...???
I'm not the one saying "tortured through eternal burning" that is you.
Show me where it says that?
I've given you scripture on why I think it lasts forever and reasons why.
Kelly
do I feel some back peddling coming on, or just a little word play on semantics?
27 Jul 14
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Originally posted by Rajk999Wow.
It is not for YOU to know or decide who is a Christian.
Why do you people take such things upon yourselves.
A man says he is Christian .. you say OK
A man says he is not ,,, OK
A man says he used to be one .. OK.
What is so hard about that.
I've heard hypocrisy before but this takes the cake. Seriously.
How's that beam in your own eye doing, again?
27 Jul 14
Originally posted by Rajk999Okay, now I've heard it all, and yet, coming from you, it makes perfect sense only that *you* would say this.
I cannot remember doubting you. Neither do I focus on who is Christian and who is not. The word 'Christian' means nothing to me.
If your salvation means nothing, then how do you think Jesus will respond to you? Right, same as the quotation you keep parroting out to others that *you* don't agree with.
28 Jul 14
Faith alone in Christ alone is salvation: "faith" means accepting the fact that Christ did the work of providing salvation and eternal life on your behalf. No one comes to the Father except through the Son who is the Mediator between God and man.
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28 Jul 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadIf you are suggesting that everyone, but Jesus, has a beam in their eye, then wouldn't that mean there is nobody that can lead the blind to safety? Is that what you really believe?
The problem with the beam in your eye story is you can never actually use it to criticize someone else without becoming a hypocrite yourself.
28 Jul 14
Originally posted by divegeesterNo I'm asking you to be specific, if you are going to use words like you
Oh. So. now you are saying that "forever" is not eternal? But it's still a long time right? Or is it...???
do I feel some back peddling coming on, or just a little word play on semantics?
have, at least show them to me in scripture. I've been forth coming with
scripture for those that I talk about.
Kelly
28 Jul 14
Originally posted by Rajk999
I never ask anyone, neither am I ever interested in whether or not they actually follow Christ or if they are Christian.
Pathetic.
You are content to think YOU are a Christian, but can care less about other's eternal destiny!
But you have the balls to sit there and tell us what you think it takes to be a Christian.
Hypocrisy!