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Originally posted by divegeester"Just and good" according to you. How do you know that your are in the best position to judge what is 'just' and 'good' assuming there is a universal standard of 'just' and 'good'.
Yes it is ... and that you fail or refuse to see it is why you get accused of being morally inept and of promoting strange beliefs.
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Originally posted by divegeesterI don't care about those opinions. We should not have a lopsided view of God.
Yes it is ... and that you fail or refuse to see it is why you get accused of being morally inept and of promoting strange beliefs.
Do you want a skewed and lopsided understanding of the Ultimate Governor of all creation?
"Behold the kindness and severity of God" (Rom. 11:22) is an exhortation not to view one side only of His character. We should not read through the Bible and only pick out His kindness and ignore or suppress His manifest hatred of sin and unrighteousness.
Conversely, we should not have a lopsided view which only considers His wrath. The word used today "holistic" perhaps expresses the exhortation's attitude to -
"Behold the kindness and severity of God." (Rom. 11:22a)
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Originally posted by 667joeThere are some funky things in the natural world. We don't like mosquitos or parasites. We don't like even a common cold, let alone cancer, ebola, tornadoes or tsunamis.
The bottom line is that BPH results from evolution. Theists, claiming that god designed the prostate must admit that the intelligent designer was not good at his job! Evolution is much more likely than an intelligent designer who was clearly not competent!
But these things are supervised in some way by God's providence. His sovereignty allows them.
The precise mechanics of how this works I may not know. But take the microcosm of what God told Adam would happen if he disobeyed the ONE and ONLY sacred command.
"And to Adam He said, Because you listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree concerning which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it; Cursed is the ground because of you;
In toil will you eat of it all the days of your life.
And thorns and thistles it will bring forth for you.
And you will eat the herbs of the field;
By the sweat of your face you will eat bread
Until you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken; for dust you are,
and to dust you shall return." (Genesis 3:17-19)
I take these few unpleasant things, like, thorns and thistles, sweat, a cursed ground, and a gradual relentless march towards death, and extrapolate them to include many bad things that somehow are a part of creation.
We need something to remind us that everything is NOT okay.
All is not well with the creation though there is still considerable beauty, order, and some harmony still seen.
Prostate cancer and thorns and thistles are part of these reminders.
Now God's promises is that to those who love Him and are called according to His eternal purpose, He has the power to engineer ALL THINGS to work for good as He ushers the saved towards that perfect world to come.
" And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." (Rom. 8:28)
We can hold God to that promise. We can love God and hold Him to His word that even our prostate cancer the Almighty can cause to work out for good because we love Him and are called to His eternal purpose.
Sometimes He will even heal us.
Sometime the misfortune will drive us to be filled more with Christ as we depend upon His grace.
We can consecrate all these thorns and thistles to God's engineering skill to cause all things to work for our benefit in our journey to be conformed to the image of His Son.
One more time:
"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. (v.28)
Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers; (v.29)
And those whom He predestinated, these He also called; and those whom He called, these He also justified; and those whom He justified, these He also glorified." (v.30)
30 Oct 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI didn't mention "just and good" so what are you quoting?
"Just and good" according to you. How do you know that your are in the best position to judge what is 'just' and 'good' assuming there is a universal standard of 'just' and 'good'.
Your "assuming" is just that, you assuming stuff.
31 Oct 16
Just finished talking with the surgeon who is going to cure the "trigger finger" I have in
3 fingers of my right hand. He told me the op is straight-forward, just snipping out some
"pulleys" in the hand. He told me they play no part in the function of hand or fingers.
"Not well designed then" I said.
"Not designed at all" he replied.
Also take a look at the laryngeal nerve in mammals.
It is bizarre in humans and bat-$h1t crazy in giraffes!
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Originally posted by divegeesterSonship said, "Eternal punishment is not incompatible with an eternally just and good God."
I didn't mention "just and good" so what are you quoting?
Your "assuming" is just that, you assuming stuff.
And you replied with "Yes it is..."
So you are the one assuming that you know exactly what a 'just and good' God should not be like.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkOK, if you like. I certainly think I have a better intrepretation of a just and good God that either you and sonship.
Sonship said, "Eternal punishment is not incompatible with an eternally just and good God."
And you replied with "Yes it is..."
So you are the one assuming that you know exactly what a 'just and good' God should not be like.
It is one where the just and good god doesn't torture people in an eternal hellinsh place which he has especially created for that purpose from the begining of time.