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01 Nov 16
Originally posted by FMFCheck your Thesaurus for synonyms for the word whosoever.
Your ideology allows you to condemn all your fellow humans in a most misanthropic way AND, at the same time, declare yourself "forgiven" (and immortal) ~ merely based on thinking things about yourself and thinking things about God. How convenient.
As in "whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life ... etc. " (John 3:16)
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pronoun;, possessive whosesoever; objective whomsoever.
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whoever; whatever person:
01 Nov 16
Originally posted by sonshipSure, the biggest scam in human history, spawning three religions at each others throat where war and misery is the main feed, death and destruction for thousands of years not spiritual growth. The human race is being held down to childish levels and the leaders of those three cursed religions, the abrahamics, WANT it that way, god knows they don't want people actually thinking for themselves, they might see through the scam and none of these cursed religions wants that, far from it, they want people fearful, fear to go outside their own religion to see the world as it is without the thought police of religion. It is a sick parody of spiritual growth, more of a cancer on human thought keeping us down in the doldrums of humanity instead of lifting us up it drags us down to the common denominator of hatred of the other instead of embracing diversity, the abrahamics ensure thousand year old grudges keep taking lives and that is a shame. The scam goes on while seemingly holy people condone by silence, the continuing scam of religions warfare.
Check your Thesaurus for synonyms for the word [b]whosoever.
As in "whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life ... etc. " (John 3:16)
ie.
pronoun;, possessive whosesoever; objective whomsoever.[/b]
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whoever; whatever person:
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Originally posted by sonhouseSo you say 😉
Well, it has been going fine for billions of years with no immediate end in sight (the universe and the laws of physics there) so you are still fishing for red herrings. So supporting the idea that a billion years from now it will be pretty much same ole same ole then the question still is here, why we need wisdom teeth, without introducing the 'big' pictur ...[text shortened]... se it would be laughing at all the misery just those three design flaws makes to the human race.
02 Nov 16
Originally posted by sonhouseCreation lays out how and why the whole universe is laid out as well as life. Can you share how evolution even addresses that? You claim your not just taking for granted the layout of the universe to push your beliefs, fine give me something!
Well, it has been going fine for billions of years with no immediate end in sight (the universe and the laws of physics there) so you are still fishing for red herrings. So supporting the idea that a billion years from now it will be pretty much same ole same ole then the question still is here, why we need wisdom teeth, without introducing the 'big' pictur ...[text shortened]... se it would be laughing at all the misery just those three design flaws makes to the human race.
Originally posted by sonshipExactly. Like I said. Your ideology allows you to declare your fellow humans evil and then also declare yourself "forgiven" ~ merely based on thinking things about yourself [i.e. you are "saved" and you are "immortal"], and thinking things about God [i.e. he gets ever so angry and vengeful about thoughtcrimes don't you know, and he is going to torture you, you very, very bad people who don't believe certain stuff] based on ancient Hebrew mythology and additional texts generated by a breakaway cult-of-personality/religion. Like I said, how convenient. And I have to believe you or else get tortured?
As in [b]"whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life ... etc. " (John 3:16) [/b]
02 Nov 16
Originally posted by sonshipRajk999 "believes in Him" and yet you called him an anti-Christ the other day. So does your interpretation of scripture get you "eternal life"? Does "anti-Christ" Rajk999 not get "eternal life" like you say you [already, regardless of your "sin", regardless of your "works"] definitely will? You should listen to yourself, really. Really. Does Rajk999 face the everlasting torture you peddle as being "perfect"? Does thinking that Rajk999 will be tortured make your "Christian life easier" as you have claimed in the past?
As in "whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life ... etc. "(John 3:16)
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Originally posted by FMFSorry my bad, again. ;(
Rajk999 "believes in Him" and yet you called him an anti-Christ the other day. So does your interpretation of scripture get you "eternal life"? Does "anti-Christ" Rajk999 not get "eternal life" like you say you [already, regardless of your "sin", regardless of your "works"] definitely will? You should listen to yourself, really. Really. Does Rajk999 face the eve ...[text shortened]... that Rajk999 will be tortured make your "Christian life easier" as you have claimed in the past?
Originally posted by KellyJayThat's alright. KellyJay old chap. I'll just say the same thing I said last time, again.
Sorry my bad, again. ;(
OK, so I called you out for spewing some far right nonsense about government not interfering in families, even if religious zealots were attempting to sacrifice their own children to "God". I called you out. Live with it. Grow up. And grow a pair. If you truly believe the child sacrifice thing is morally sound, then stand by it and speak up for it. If you felt wounded by the mirror I held up to you, then admit it, and get past it. It's as simple as that.
02 Nov 16
Originally posted by KellyJayCreationists just don't get the science involved. There are several distinct and separate studies of life, evolution and how the universe got here. Evolution as a scientific study doesn't really care HOW life got here, it ONLY discusses how life changes from what to what AFTER there is already life on Earth. Of course that is never good enough for creationists who INSIST if you don't know how life started then apparently the entire discipline of evolution is refuted, not deserving of respect.
Creation lays out how and why the whole universe is laid out as well as life. Can you share how evolution even addresses that? You claim your not just taking for granted the layout of the universe to push your beliefs, fine give me something!
The scientific question of how life got here is another discipline completely and there is little interaction between the origin guys and the evolution guys.
That is how science works. Each field has its own experts, you don't ask a geologist to explain in professional terms why the sun has sunspots. You don't ask an origins expert what evolution is all about because that is not his field.
Then there is the question of how the entire universe got here. That is where cosmology comes into the picture. Cosmologists try to figure out how the universe started up and you of course know all about the big bang deal but there are several other theories on the table too. Cosmologists don't ask life origin experts how the universe started because that is out of the origins area of expertise and life origins don't care a whole lot about how the entire universe got here.
The deal is, you expect one science to be able to answer all the big questions but that is not going to happen in century 21, 22 or any other till we can finally put it all together in one package with bows on it. We won't be able to do much with the origins of the universe till we get a theory that combines relativity with quantum physics, two theories that don't fit together at all and we need them to be all on the same page which they are not because for now they remain two separate disciplines. Maybe some genius, some 21st or 22nd century Einstein or math dude can make the two meet but till then we are still groping in the dark. And of course creationists love that dichotomy.
So have fun while you can.
You do realize that in terms of knowing all about the universe we are still in kindergarten? Science as a whole has only been around a few hundred years, only a few human lifetimes, compare that to the thousands of years religions have had time to shore up their man made BS. When science has been around for a few thousand years they will know EXACTLY what started the universe, what started life on Earth and where life is going. Till then, have all the fun you can dissing science, it's like dissing a second grade kid for not knowing astrophysics. A hundred years from now creationists will have less and less of a leg to stand on the more we know about the universe and how it REALLY got here, not some BS words like 'in the beginning', blah blah blah. The people who wrote those words in Genesis had not a clue as to ANYTHING scientific and so there are verses in the bible for instance, telling us not to eat pig. Well THAT has to be a spiritual matter, right? That one supposedly came from your god. Except now we know exactly WHY you didn't eat pig because of that little parasite. So why didn't your god just say, if you like bacon or pork chop, fine, just cook the hell out of it since there are these little bugs you can't even see that can make you very sick.
But no, what do we have? Don't eat Pig. EXACTLY what humans who had no clue as to what is going on would say. It's making people sick. Ok, lets make up a verse and say it came from god, DO NOT EAT PIG.
02 Nov 16
Originally posted by FMFHe believes that he would be living forever and will be enjoying a ringside view of me being tormented for eternity.
Rajk999 "believes in Him" and yet you called him an anti-Christ the other day. So does your interpretation of scripture get you "eternal life"? Does "anti-Christ" Rajk999 not get "eternal life" like you say you [already, regardless of your "sin", regardless of your "works"] definitely will? You should listen to yourself, really. Really. Does Rajk999 face the eve ...[text shortened]... that Rajk999 will be tortured make your "Christian life easier" as you have claimed in the past?
Only a sick evil person would relish such an existence.
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Originally posted by 667joeThe universe has a date assigned to it by just about everyone. Now the dates are widely different but what we almost all agree on is the universe is not eternal. The same thing is not said about God who we believe is eternal so no designer for God is required.
Did God require an intelligent designer to come into existence? In other words, how did god come to exist? Of course theists will say that god was always here,,,,,but that means Intelligent design was not needed!
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02 Nov 16
Originally posted by KellyJayI'm open to the idea of the universe being eternal. It is also a notion currently supported by many renowned scientists (not to mention millions of Jainists).
The universe has a date assigned to it by just about everyone. Now the dates are widely different but what we almost all agree on is the universe is not eternal. The same thing is not said about God who we believe is eternal so no designer for God is required.
Originally posted by 667joeFrom my understanding that would create issues mainly due to everything is running down. What would you think of any dating method that didn't show an endless universe?
But if god is eternal, why can't the universe be eternal also? If no designer was necessary for there to be a god, does that not mean that perhaps no designer is necessary for the universe, the prostate, or wisdom teeth?