Intelligent? Design

Originally posted by Rank outsider
That was not the question I asked. I asked you whether it was easier for Case A to make that choice than Case B.

Are you going to answer the question?

Neither would be easier or harder to God they would simply be simply different settings for God. The human heart/soul would be required to choose that wound rest with each individual. So there could be one brought up Muslim who chooses Christ while another brought up Christian rejects Christ. Neither is a sure thing.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If God is all knowing and powerful and His goal is to call anyone to make a choice would there be anything that could hinder Him?

Clearly an all knowing and all powerful God would reveal himself to people in whatever religion was local to them. You speak of choice but seem unable or unwilling to accept that such a choice is heavily restricted by random geography.


Edit: Rather than just thumbing down my posts Suzianne, why not explain why what I have written is incorrect?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Clearly an all knowing and all powerful God would reveal himself to people in whatever religion was local to them. You speak of choice but seem unable or unwilling to accept that such a choice is heavily restricted by random geography.


Edit: Rather than just thumbing down my posts Suzianne, why not explain why what I have written is incorrect?

The would reveal has to be done so the choice is ours, that isn't hindered by restrictions
not fear of death.

Originally posted by KellyJay
The would reveal has to be done so the choice is ours, that isn't hindered by restrictions
not fear of death.

Do you believe that this dreadful, stumbling 'explanation' of your incomprehensible ideology is divinely inspired?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Clearly an all knowing and all powerful God would reveal himself to people in whatever religion was local to them. You speak of choice but seem unable or unwilling to accept that such a choice is heavily restricted by random geography.


Edit: Rather than just thumbing down my posts Suzianne, why not explain why what I have written is incorrect?

So if you think someone has a better chance of being a Christian if they grow up in a Christian setting, how do you explain the fact that FMF who was raised in a Christian setting is not a Christian, yet there are many Muslims who were raised in a Muslim setting, that are now Christian?

"I say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:11-12

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk to Ghost of a Duke
So if you think someone has a better chance of being a Christian if they grow up in a Christian setting...

Just to be clear, are you rejecting the suggestion that "someone has a better chance of being a Christian if they grow up in a Christian setting [than in a Muslim setting]"?

Originally posted by FMF
Just to be clear, are you rejecting the suggestion that "someone has a better chance of being a Christian if they grow up in a Christian setting [than in a Muslim setting]"?

Humanly speaking it would seem so but we don't have all the facts, and that is not taking the spiritual realm into account.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So if you think someone has a better chance of being a Christian if they grow up in a Christian setting, how do you explain the fact that FMF who was raised in a Christian setting is not a Christian, yet there are many Muslims who were raised in a Muslim setting, that are now Christian?

"I say to you that many will come from the east and the west to ...[text shortened]... ast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:11-12

That is my point, regardless of where anyone was raised God isn't limited or hindered by
any circumstances, His hand isn’t so short He cannot save. Each of us must make that
choice surrounded by churches or mosques it still comes down to individuals and God.
There are those as you pointed out that fall away from inside churches or they do not
come due to hypocrites which is very sad! To think someone could have a hypocrite
stand between them and God, because if you think about it that means the hypocrite
is closer to God than they are.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Humanly speaking it would seem so but we don't have all the facts, and that is not taking the spiritual realm into account.

What, for example, might be among "all the facts" that you would need to determine whether someone has a better chance of being a Christian if they grow up in a Christian setting than in a Muslim setting?

Originally posted by KellyJay
That is my point, regardless of where anyone was raised God isn't limited or hindered by any circumstances, His hand isn’t so short He cannot save.

Does that mean you believe that the incidence of Muslims who are raised in Muslim cultures and who do not become Christians is the result of your God's unlimited and unhindered choice?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Each of us must make that choice surrounded by churches or mosques it still comes down to individuals and God.

Do you believe that your God might sometimes choose to torture (for eternity) Muslims who might well have become Christians if only they had been born and lived in different circumstances and had been exposed to different influences? Would God doing that be a practical, real-life example of the "God isn't limited or hindered by any circumstances" thing you mentioned earlier?

Originally posted by FMF
What, for example, might be among "all the facts" that you would need to determine whether someone has a better chance of being a Christian if they grow up in a Christian setting than in a Muslim setting?

The working of the spirit of God in the heart of every person, and the degree to which each person either follows the prompting of the spirit or quenches it. You can have someone born in a Christian setting quenching the spirit of God, and someone born in a pagan setting following the prompting of the spirit. (Which will lead them to the truth) The working of the spirit of God is not limited to a Christian setting.

Originally posted by FMF
Does that mean you believe that the incidence of Muslims who are raised in Muslim cultures and who do not become Christians is the result of your God's unlimited and unhindered choice?

Anyone who actively seeks the truth and follows the prompting of the spirit of God will find the truth regardless of where they are born.

Originally posted by FMF
Do you believe that your God might sometimes choose to torture (for eternity) Muslims who might well have become Christians if only they had been born and lived in different circumstances and had been exposed to different influences? Would God doing that be a practical, real-life example of the "God isn't limited or hindered by any circumstances" thing you mentioned earlier?

Where you are born makes no difference to your desire to search for truth. Those who seek it with all their heart will find it.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You can have someone born in a Christian setting quenching the spirit of God, and someone born in a pagan setting following the prompting of the spirit. (Which will lead them to the truth) The working of the spirit of God is not limited to a Christian setting.

Yes. And you can have Christians becoming Muslims in Christian settings. And you can have Muslims becoming Christians in Hindu settings. And Christians become Hindus in Muslim settings, etc. etc. etc. But how does this have any bearing on the surely uncontroversial statement that someone has a better chance of being a Christian if they grow up in a Christian setting than in a Muslim setting?