Spirituality
10 Apr 23
17 Apr 23
@moonbus saidExactly what do you use to identify what is evil from good, your feelings?
Yes, evil is real. Burning witches, millions of them during the middle ages, was evil. Saudi Arabia is still doing it. It is still evil.
Yet the book you call the inerrant Word of God once commanded that people to do this and they really did this. Never mind that there was allegedly another convenient which allegedly rescinded it. It was once commanded by a god-figure you profess to be absolutely good that people do this.
@moonbus saidThe self-debilitatingly prideful KellyJay conceded that the Bible is NOT the “inerrant, complete, and exclusive” word of God a few months ago when he got boxed in by divegeester and did not want to admit he had contradicted himself in some of his impenetrably inarticulate generic screeds. This is one of the reasons - I think - why KellyJay is now sulking like an adolescent and not talking to divegeester.
I take it that he still believes it to be the inerrant Word of God, if not complete and exclusive. The inerrancy of scripture is, after all, one of the Five Solas. Scripture is also held to be complete for the salvation of man, though not necessarily complete in the sense of being an exhaustive encyclopedia of how everything in the universe works. That at least some bi ...[text shortened]... ce, it is not the exclusive Word of God and no reasonable person would or should think it is.
17 Apr 23
@divegeester saidSpot on.
This is an example of what FMF referred to earlier as you being “dishonest”. You know exactly what point Moonbus is making but you are dishonesty pretending not to.
Exodus 22:18 “You shall not suffer a witch to live” Is an example of dozens and dozens of OT codes of morality which have “evolved” in terms of one covenant to another.
Let me be more specific…
...[text shortened]... moonbus’ point and it’s absolutely clear why you are dishonesty pretending you don’t understand it.
@fmf saidThis isn't a discussion thread for spiritual issues; KJ is just dodging questions, parroting his dogma, and can't (or won't) entertain a hypothetical question. I think it's time for me bow out. Thanks for your and Dive's contributions. I think we are all agreed that evil is real, but no one seriously doubted that anyway. Pointless question, IMO.
The self-debilitatingly prideful KellyJay conceded that the Bible is NOT the “inerrant, complete, and exclusive” word of God a few months ago when he got boxed in by divegeester and did not want to admit he had contradicted himself in some of his impenetrably inarticulate generic screeds. This is one of the reasons - I think - why KellyJay is now sulking like an adolescent and not talking to divegeester.
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17 Apr 23
@moonbus saidWell we don’t know what kellyjay believes in that specific point as after my extracting his acknowledgment of the more general “not the inerrant, exclusive and complete word if god” Kellyjay immediately stopped talking to me.
I take it that he still believes it to be the inerrant Word of God, if not complete and exclusive.
Again.
18 Apr 23
@divegeester said“not the inerrant, exclusive and complete word if [sic] god”
Well we don’t know what kellyjay believes in that specific point as after my extracting his acknowledgment of the more general “not the inerrant, exclusive and complete word if god” Kellyjay immediately stopped talking to me.
Again.
Sometimes a typo says more than you meant.
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18 Apr 23
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@moonbus saidTo do what is selfish over good is evil, the degrees don't change that, it is nonetheless what happens when we put ourselves over others or turn others into objects for our consumption be it to have power over them, use them physically, or to lust over for our viewing pleasures.
“not the inerrant, exclusive and complete word if [sic] god”
Sometimes a typo says more than you meant.
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I have no problem saying that the scriptures are the Word of God and as such they take on the authority that has over us. God is not only sovereign, but good, righteous, holy, and just, and the author of all of these things the Creator. God is the standard of goodness rejecting Him to do what we will be acting out of an evil heart. Setting ourselves up over our very Creator and the one who also sustains our very existence.
I've asked you where evil has come from with your worldview since it isn't a matter of chemistry or logic and nothing! You have said that we evolved but cannot produce anything that says how or why. You ignore those questions as if they don't matter, but they are like a huge amount of other things you cannot explain, you are okay with that as if the origin has nothing to do with the present or the future.
18 Apr 23
@kellyjay said"How"? Trial and error and a sense of cause and consequence processed by the human consciousness along with its capacity for abstraction, all taking place over hundreds of thousands of years.
You have said that we evolved but cannot produce anything that says how or why.
"Why"? Because it was in humans' own interests as communal creatures and because it made groups more likely to survive ~ and then be able to pass their gathered knowledge and evolving values to the next generation.