09 Jan 12
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Concerning Ephesians chatper 4:
wrong. look up a couple verses and see the end of your trinity.
Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
then we get to 4:6 which reaffirms verse 4 above, and the following right after, another axe in your trinity doctrine:
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
christ is viewed as a gift given by god, not as a god himself. paul all the apostles viewed christ as a mirror into the mind of god, that they were conversing to god through christ, but none of them thought he was god himself.
Sure. Christ is the gift of God. And what He brings into the gifted ones is God as life.
The operation of the Father - Son - Holy Spirit is to dispense GOD into man.
The Father is part of this dispensing. The Son is too. And the Holy Spirit is the final REACHING of man's inner being.
So the gift is God Himself. You are right that Christ is the gift. What you fail to see is that what comes IN Christ, BY Christ, WITH Christ is GOD.
Now we see Paul in the same letter speak of the Fathe and the Son and the Spirit working together to dispense God as life into man:
"For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, ... that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit into the inner man, that Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith." (Eph. 3:14-17)
The Triune God is mentioned here - the Father is granting, the Spirit is strengthening, and the Son Christ, through our faith, is being wrought into man's being.
This is a dispensing through the operation of the Father - Son - Spirit.
Look at the verse 18,19 - " ... that you, being rooted and grounded in love, May be full of strength to apprehend witll all the saints what the breadth andf length and height and depth are and to know the knowledge surpassing love of Christ, THAT YOU MAY BE FILLED UNTO ALL THE FULNESS OF GOD."
Filled with God - Void Spirit. That is His goal.
The Father of the Trinity grants. The Spirit of the Trinity strengthens. The Son of the Trinity is being wrought into the believers through faith, making His home more and more in their hearts.
The end result is that they would be FILLED unto all the fullness of God.
This is why I wrote before that what the Triune God is in Himself can never be separated from what the Triune God is DOING upon His redeemed people in His full salvation. He has to be Triune to dispense His life and nature into man that man might become filled unto all the fullnesss of God.
The Divine "WE" that comes to make an abode with the lovers of Jesus is the Father and the Son through and by means of the reaching Holy Spirit.
They live in one another. They CO-INHERE.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by jaywillSorry, this is too long for me to read. But I probably don't need toyou keep bringing up my disbelief as an excuse to continue believing a false prophet. the messianic prophecy is not found in a single verse, but in several and they all speak of a messiah who will accomplish goals which christ has not accomplished. he cannot be the messiah without accomplishing those goals.
The two aspects of the Mess ...[text shortened]... om without and within have demonstrated that.
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for in most cases I already agree with you. Maybe someone that
it can help has the patience to read it all.
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Originally posted by RJHindsI think when you can you should try to read it. IMO.
Sorry, this is too long for me to read. But I probably don't need to
for in most cases I already agree with you. Maybe someone that
it can help has the patience to read it all.
I do try to read your posts usually on important subjects.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by jaywillI'm not trying to be rude but where does all this stuff come from?you keep bringing up my disbelief as an excuse to continue believing a false prophet. the messianic prophecy is not found in a single verse, but in several and they all speak of a messiah who will accomplish goals which christ has not accomplished. he cannot be the messiah without accomplishing those goals.
The two aspects of the Mess ...[text shortened]... om without and within have demonstrated that.
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I really try to make some sense of these long, long, long post you put up here and by the second paragraph I have no idea what your even saying.
To be honest in my opinion it just seems like rambling and rambling of nothing that pertains to the subject. Sorry.
09 Jan 12
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Originally posted by VoidSpirit
you keep bringing up my disbelief as an excuse to continue believing a false prophet. the messianic prophecy is not found in a single verse, but in several and they all speak of a messiah who will accomplish goals which christ has not accomplished. he cannot be the messiah without accomplishing those goals.
fist, the throne of david wasn't even estab 's time for you to drop the illusion.
nowhere in the bible will you find son the god. this is in your imagination.
I told you before that "THIS" here, refers to the the Sending Father and the Sent Son - THIS is the TRUE God and eternal life.
Read it slowly and carefully and see.
"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding that we might know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ.
This is the true God and eternal life." (1 John 5:20)
The Christian is in the True one, in His Son - THIS (the true one and His Son) is the True God and eternal life.
There is not other way to understand this passage but that the True God is the true One and His Son in whom the believers have been put in.
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Originally posted by galveston75yes, I am verbose. yes I can go on and on.
I'm not trying to be rude but where does all this stuff come from?
I really try to make some sense of these long, long, long post you put up here and by the second paragraph I have no idea what your even saying.
To be honest in my opinion it just seems like rambling and rambling of nothing that pertains to the subject. Sorry.
But it is important. Some things just take time.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by jaywillWell to be honest if I were a student, this would not work. The explination of any point should be easier then this and if one is trying to teach and it's a factual thing your trying to teach it should be easy and clear to see.
yes, I am verbose. yes I can go on and on.
But it is important. Some things just take time.
Just my thoughts and no bad intensions meant.
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Originally posted by galveston75A typical jaywill post is about 700 words long. That's all. He is the most scholarly and consistently decent Christian 'preacher' on this forum. You say if you were a theology student, such 700 word texts - dealing with a point of contention or explanation - complete with references and quotes, wouldn't work?
Well to be honest if I were a student, this would not work. The explination of any point should be easier then this and if one is trying to teach and it's a factual thing your trying to teach it should be easy and clear to see.
Just my thoughts and no bad intensions meant.
09 Jan 12
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Originally posted by jaywill"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22."nowhere in the bible will you find son the god. this is in your imagination.
I told you before that [b]"THIS" here, refers to the the Sending Father and the Sent Son - THIS is the TRUE God and eternal life.
Read it slowly and carefully and see.
"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding ge but that the True God is the true One and His Son in whom the believers have been put in.
there is no other way for jaywill to understand this passage, but that the antichrist is jesus.
"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. 2 John 1:7 "
there is no other way for jaywill to understand this passage, but that the deceiver and antichrist is jesus.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by jaywillnope, i don't see a trinity in anything you said. no triune god is mentioned. it's a part of your imagination.
Concerning Ephesians chatper 4:
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wrong. look up a couple verses and see the end of your trinity.
Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
then we get to 4:6 which reaffirms verse 4 above, and the following right after, another axe in your trinity doctrine:
7 But unto every on ...[text shortened]... nd by means of the reaching Holy Spirit.
They live in one another. They CO-INHERE.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by jaywillthe post ended because the temple wasn't rebuilt.
technical problems with length are causing me to lose some reply.
-rebuild the temple
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The gates of Hell shall not prevail against this builded church. And 2000 years of attacks of every conceivable kind, from without and within have demonstrated that.
So quite literally, the encrease of peace, righteousness, joy ...[text shortened]... e a place for sinners to get into God and for God to get into them.
This post ends here.