Is there something Jesus said in the "red letters" which would confirm that Paul was right? Yes, in John 17:24.
In the mighty petition and prayer Jesus made to His Father before His death and resurrection, He asked -
" Father, concerning that which You have given Me, I desire that they also may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory, which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world." (John 17:24)
The Son of God prayed for the sonship of those whom the Father gave to HIm - past, present, and future. That is that they would have the position and station of sons of God. And that they would behold in every sense WHERE Jesus was before incarnation and before the foundation of the world.
Doesn't this exactly match Eph. 1:4,5?
"Even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before Him in love, predestinating us unto sonship through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will."
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Already from Ephesians 1:3,4 and John 17:24 we can see God planned the WE-IZATION of the Triune God (toward us who believe).
It was God's good pleasure that WE-IZATION occur upon His redeemed.
And Jesus prayed for this WE-IZATION before His momentous death and resurrection in order to accomplish the uniting of God and man.
Of course whether it is a WE-IZATION depends on where we would stand in relation to God and we the believers in Christ.
@sonship saidYou have capitalized We-ization 4 times in your post and still, it is a million miles away from scripture.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Already from Ephesians 1:3,4 and John 17:24 we can see God planned the WE-IZATION of the Triune God (toward us who believe).
It was God's good pleasure that WE-IZATION occur upon His redeemed.
And Jesus prayed for this WE-IZATION before His momentous death and resurrection in order to accomplish the uniting of God and man.
Of c ...[text shortened]... t is a WE-IZATION depends on where we would stand in relation to God and we the believers in Christ.
To be honest, it's a little creepy.
@fmf said"Abide" means to stay, to dwell, especially with stability or some consistency. Remain, endure, continue, persist are among the best synonyms in this case.
"Abide" basically mean obey.
We "abide" by rules.
If we "abide" in someone, we are constant in our obedience or remain faithful to them. To "abide" in someone means to trust them.
"Abide BY" means to obey, or more correctly, to tolerate. "We 'abide' BY rules." We are obedient, or tolerant.
If we "abide" IN someone, we are constant in our faith or remain faithful to them. To "abide" IN someone means to stay with them.
From Merriam-Webster:
Choose the Right Synonym for abide
BEAR, SUFFER, ENDURE, ABIDE, TOLERATE, STAND mean to put up with something trying or painful. BEAR usually implies the power to sustain without flinching or breaking. "forced to bear a tragic loss" SUFFER often suggests acceptance or passivity rather than courage or patience in bearing. "suffering many insults" ENDURE implies continuing firm or resolute through trials and difficulties. "endured years of rejection" ABIDE suggests acceptance without resistance or protest. "cannot abide their rudeness" TOLERATE suggests overcoming or successfully controlling an impulse to resist, avoid, or resent something injurious or distasteful. "refused to tolerate such treatment" STAND emphasizes even more strongly the ability to bear without discomposure or flinching. "unable to stand teasing"
CONTINUE, LAST, ENDURE, ABIDE, PERSIST mean to exist over a period of time or indefinitely. CONTINUE applies to a process going on without ending. "the search for peace will continue" LAST, especially when unqualified, may stress existing beyond what is normal or expected. "buy shoes that will last" ENDURE adds an implication of resisting destructive forces or agencies. "in spite of everything, her faith endured" ABIDE implies stable and constant existing especially as opposed to mutability. "a love that abides through 40 years of marriage" PERSIST suggests outlasting the normal or appointed time and often connotes obstinacy or doggedness. "the sense of guilt persisted"
"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." -- John 15:4-5, KJV
"Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." -- John 15:4-5, NIV
You have capitalized We-ization 4 times in your post and still, it is a million miles away from scripture.
To be honest, it's a little creepy.
Look at it this way. Since the fall of man we all have been Adam-ized.
We express the fallen Adam wuite spontaneously. We hardly need to be trained to manifest fallen humanity. We have been polluted and infested, permeated, saturated with the fallen parent of all sinful mankind.
The libraries are not needed to be stacked with books on how to steal or how to lie. We do so quite spontaneously and automatically. The parent doesn't have to teach the child how to disobey. The child learns "No" first because it is natural for the child to do wrong.
Mankind has been Adam-ized. And Adam was Satan-ized.
Now, there is another - second man. He is also called the last Adam.
God's purpose is that all who receive Christ would conversly manifest a new life from the second Head of a new humanity. For this "the last Adam became a life giving Spirit." (1 Cor. 15:45) And this life giving Spirit is implanted into the redeemed and forgiven that the last Adam, who is God incarnate, might cause God to be We-ized.
We would grow to more and more and finally totally and spontaneoulsy express a God filled human life - a Jesusly human WE-IZATION of God.
Some of us have realized that it is "creepy" instead that we all exhibit the fallen corrupted Adam. And we realize "NORMAL" is that we be saturated with the God-man Jesus as the life giving Holy Spirit.
You are calling the wrong phenomenon "creepy."
And what God intended as NORMAL you regard as a strange thing.
"Now you are the Body of Christ, and members individually." (12:27)
"For just as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function, So WE who are many are one Body in Christ, and individually memvers one of another." (Romans 12:4,5)
@sonship saidAgain, why isn't scripture enough for you? Why the need to invent words that don't feature?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
You have capitalized We-ization 4 times in your post and still, it is a million miles away from scripture.
To be honest, it's a little creepy.
Look at it this way. Since the fall of man we all have been Adam-ized.
We express the fallen Adam wuite spontaneously. We hardly need to be trained to manifest fallen humanity. We ...[text shortened]... tan-ized.
Now, there is another - second man. He is also called the last Adam.
Could it be that some ideas put forward by Witness Lee are not supported by scripture, so you invent words to draw tenuous parallels? Yes, that must be it.
@sonship saidThe are also scriptures and doctrines that get sonship-ized.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
You have capitalized We-ization 4 times in your post and still, it is a million miles away from scripture.
To be honest, it's a little creepy.
Look at it this way. Since the fall of man we all have been Adam-ized.
We express the fallen Adam wuite spontaneously. We hardly need to be trained to manifest fallen humanity. We ...[text shortened]... tan-ized.
Now, there is another - second man. He is also called the last Adam.
Could it be that some ideas put forward by Witness Lee are not supported by scripture, so you invent words to draw tenuous parallels? Yes, that must be it.
I made up the word We-izated. You have to blame witness Jack Wilmore (aka sonship) for the words We-ized / We-ization.
Brother Witness Lee gave the Chriastians a key to open up the whole Bible.
When we have the key of God's economy, of God's eterna; purpose, why the entire Bible opens up to us in an appropriate way to match these last days.
It is time for an end of the age panpramic birds eye view of the sixty six books of the Bible. It is the right time for a "high peak" view of the Bible so that we may enter into what we see.
The goal is not to make up new words. The goal is to shake us out of the doldrums of the enemy's stupifying covering and veiling of the eyes of faith to see God's central purpose for preparation of Christ's soon coming again to rea and harvest what He sowed two thousand years ago.
So we we God does have an eternal purpose. This purpose involves the
unsearchable riches that are in Jesus Christ.
" . . . the unsearchable riches of Christ as the gospel"
And Paul prayed that our eyes would be enlightened to see this.
" . . . the unsearchable riches of Christ as the gospel and to enlighten all that thay may see what the economy of the mystery is, which throughout the ages has been hidden in God who created all things . . . "(Eph. 8c-9)
I showed you that Christ prayed that the ones given to Him would behold His glory which He had with the Father before the foundation of the world (John 17:24). And that they would be with Him where He is.
I showed that before God laid the foundation of the world HIs good pleasure was to do so that He might have sons with His holy nature as thier destiny (Eph. 1:4,5)
Now we see that the mystery hidden thoughout the ages involves the unsearchable riches, untold wealth, infinite preciousness of Christ. (Eph. 3:8,9) And this is the economy (dispensation) of the God who created all things.
@sonship saidCult leaders always claim to bring high peak truths or similar nonsense. What has given Witness Lee such authority to dismiss Christianity as an organization of Satan and bring things to scripture that simply aren't there?
It is time for an end of the age panpramic birds eye view of the sixty six books of the Bible. It is the right time for a "high peak" view of the Bible so that we may enter into what we see.