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It is sometimes useful.
But if familar words is all you wish to hear, then here this.
"Making known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Himself." (Eph. 1:9)
God would unveil "the mystery of His will". Wouldn't you like to know "the mystery of His will" who created all things? I would if you wouldn't.
All familar words. Right? No funny - ized kinds of words.
Let's look at plain words from Greek to English. However we have to have some
interpretation because somethings said are not easy. And Christians must compare the words with what they have experienced. It is not all academic. We've experienced some of these things.
We're happy when God is happy.
When God is happy we are happy within.
When God is wanting some good pleasure of His to be fulfilled it reflects
that we as His creatures are longing for something.
God "good pleasure" is what He "purposed in Himself". And He would not that it remain a mystery to man but that He would make it known to us.
In the next post I will go on to examine more of this mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Himself."
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Returning to the OP. Sonship wrote:
'The eternal plan of God is that God would be SEEN in that God would be (if you will) WE-IZED. God would mass produce the mingling of humanity and divinity of the Firstborn Son of God.'
This is just plain weird right, whether you're reading the words with atheist or Christian eyes?
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The mystery of the will of God involves an admnistration in eternity to head up all things in Christ. Sure it is. Look.
"Making known to us the mystery of His will . . . unto the economy of the fullness of the times, to head up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth, in Him. . . " (Eph. 1:9a,10)
Since the rebellion of Satan the world is in a state of collapse. Adam joined Satan unwittingly, being led astray by this evil one. And the world collapsed into a heap of near ruination.
The mystery of God's will is that in the process of time a climax would be reached. When the ages come to a fullness and finale all things in the heavens and on earth would be put into good order, headed up in Jesus Christ.
That means all man, all nature, every leaf, every atom, every molecule all creation would have a unique Head.
It is as if the head of a body were removed and the body collapsed into a heap.
The restoration of a proper head will cause all creation to be headed up in an admnistration of righteousness, glory, good order, and reigned over by the sons of God (His brothers) as they have eternal life.
In this fullness of times, this clomax of the ages not only does man inherit God. But God inherits something too. This is marvelous. We who take the lead to acknowledge Christ as the Head, become an inheritance to God !
Right here. Look!
"In whom we also were designated as an inheritance . . ., having been predestinated according to the purpose of the One who works all things according to the counsel of His will." (v. 11)
God is to inherit a rich treasure for Himself, for His good pleasure. That is sons of God filled up with the unsearchable riches of life in Christ. We are to inherit God and God is to inherit sons who were designated by predestination for this eternal purpose.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidFrom Genesis 3:15, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel", until now, God's "plan" has been the plan of redemption. God has been working to redeem mankind since the day Adam broke fellowship with his maker by an act of disobedience.
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The eternal plan of God is that God would be SEEN in that God would be (if you will) WE-IZED. God would mass produce the mingling of humanity and divinity of the Firstborn Son of God.
Do other Christians recognize the above as God's eternal plan, as laid out in scripture? Or has sonship completely lost the plot?
The biblical fact is is that God had already had that plan formed from before creation. That's God's ultimate "plan".
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI don’t.
@sonship said
The eternal plan of God is that God would be SEEN in that God would be (if you will) WE-IZED. God would mass produce the mingling of humanity and divinity of the Firstborn Son of God.
Do other Christians recognize the above as God's eternal plan, as laid out in scripture? Or has sonship completely lost the plot?
The original plan got derailed when a renegade angel (possibly cherubim) decided that they wanted to be worshipped and called god a liar.
The plan went off the rails within the first human generation and needed fixing, hence the law and the appearance of Christ as The Lamb of god, which was his sacrificial function. My understanding is that it was originally planned that man would live in peace on a paradise earth, under the rule of God, and that purpose will still be realised once the earth is cleansed and restored.
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The biblical fact is is that God had already had that plan formed from before creation. That's God's ultimate "plan".
This is touching quite profound things imo.
I think before God could achieve His eternal plan He first, in His foreknowledge and wisdom, arranged that all who did not want to be a part of His eternal will could be collected together under a head rebel. That way all who wanted nothing to do with God are subsumed in one resevoir.
This is the way it seems to me. The arch advasery against God served as a channel for all creatures who want nothing to do with the Creator - the Most High to exit off and go after thier leader. It was necessary that such being be the wisest, most intelligent, most authoritative of God's creatures.
I believe there will never again in eternity be another like that one.
But God will inherit sons and myriads of angels and universe in which righteousness dwells for ever.
@sonship saidYou have an interesting way of putting things sonship. 😉
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The biblical fact is is that God had already had that plan formed from before creation. That's God's ultimate "plan".
This is touching quite profound things imo.
I think before God could achieve His eternal plan He first, in His foreknowledge and wisdom, arranged that all who did not want to be a part of His eternal will could be ...[text shortened]... But God will inherit sons and myriads of angels and universe in which righteousness dwells for ever.
I think that seeing the "big picture" as outlined in the scriptures relative to "God's plan" since before creation until the creation of the new heavens and new earth is a monumental task requiring innumerable hours and years of study.
Sifting through the scriptures trying to understand what God is doing, separating the metaphorical from the literal, consideration of timelines, deciphering the prophetic timetable, making correct applications of revealed truth based on its context and all the while trying to live a life glorifying to God our savior is summed up in a simple command; to love God with all our heart, mind, soul and strength.
This forum is a sideshow.
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The plan went off the rails within the first human generation and needed fixing, hence the law and the appearance of Christ as The Lamb of god, which was his sacrificial function. My understanding is that it was originally planned that man would live in peace on a paradise earth, under the rule of God, and that purpose will still be realised once the earth is cleansed and restored.
Astounding as it may be. God probably knows all that will take place in eternity.
I don't want to be over dogmatic about that.
But it seems His foreknowedge would be without limit.
We cannot really fault God for knowing all.
So He creates beings with a deciding and choosing will to be His or want not to be His. In His eternal wisdom He must know that some sentient wills will choose not to be His.
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@sonship saidGenesis 3:9-11
Astounding as it may be. God probably knows all that will take place in eternity.
I don't want to be over dogmatic about that.
But it seems His foreknowedge would be without limit.
We cannot really fault God for knowing all.
But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
If God knows all, as you claim, why did he ask Adam where he was and if he had eaten from the tree?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidBecause from time to time He has to talk to us in terms so we can understand. It wasn’t as if anything was done that surprised Him or caught Him off guard.
Genesis 3:9-11
But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
If God knows all, as you claim, why did he ask Adam where he was and if he had eat from the tree?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidAre you serious?!
Genesis 3:9-11
But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
If God knows all, as you claim, why did he ask Adam where he was and if he had eaten from the tree?
Bigdogg made the same mistake four years ago!
Have you never asked someone a question already knowing the answer to see if they’ll be honest in their response?
If a father knows for a fact that his son went to a party instead of going to the library and asks the son, when the son returns home, “So how was the library?” does that mean the father thinks his son was at the library?
Good grief.
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If God knows all, as you claim, why did he ask Adam where he was and if he had eaten from the tree?
Of course God knew where Adam was.
I believe He wanted Adam to consider where he was.
I don't see contradiction or divine naivete. I see God's heart wanting to have Adam contemplate and realize his state and situation after having disobeyed his Creator and greatest friend and secure companion in fellowship.
Before Jesus came into my life there some months, maybe even longer, when something seemed to be saying - "Jack, where are you? Look at where you are now. "