@sonship saidThis describes Witness Lee and his church perfectly:
[quote] I see the PRINCIPLE of the saints saved by Jesus crushing Satan under THEIR feet.
When you say church, do you mean the Catholic church? Mormon Church? Jehovah witness church? Lutheran Church? Methodist Church? Presbyterian church? etc, etc, etc. And, they all say that they are the ones who have it right; and that, everyone else is going to hell because they have it w ...[text shortened]... power. But they have brotherly love and have taken up no other name but the name of the Lord Jesus.
1.) Satan seeks to REPLACE Christ with something ELSE.
2.) Satan seeks to limit the function of the members of Christ's Body.
3.) Satan seeks to cut up and divine the church into pieces.
He/You have done exactly that.
1. You replaced Christ commandments with mouth worship.
2 & 3. He says that all other churches are organisations of Satan.
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Rajk999 jumps into troll mode with short complaints of erroneous nature.
This describes Witness Lee and his church perfectly:
This servant of God died in 1997. If he had his OWN "church" it probably would have dissolved if the a significant personality was the only thing holding it together.
Lee is gone having served the Lord and done much to bring the revelation of the local ground of the proper church to the attention of Christians world wide.
Does that make him have his own church named after him?
No that is the slander of Rajk999 and others. That Corinth received much spiritual help from Paul was not wrong. And Paul said that the church is Corinth belonged to the the locality of Corinth.
"Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?" (1 Cor. 1:13)
It is not wrong for a church to be influenced by a servant of God.
It is wrong for that servant to name the church after his or her name.
It is wrong for the Christians helped by Luther to name their congregation a Luther Church. But it is not wrong that they derived benefit FROM Luther.
It is wrong of saints in a local church name a local church "Witness Lee's church".
The church is according to locality.
But it is not wrong that God used a servant to edify spiritually that church.
When any local church names itself Watchman Nee's Church or Witness Lee's church, that is the day I leave that group. But that we receive edification from Paul or Luther or Wesley or Lee or Nee is not wrong in and of itself.
Of course enemies of the truth will attempt to BRAND local churches as Witness Lee's Church as Rajk999 has done.
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Paul, Apollos, and Peter were used by God to establish, strengthen, and edify the church in Corinth. But Paul discouraged them from dividing IN Corinth according to anything.
"Paul, a called apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God, and Sosthenes the brother, to the church of God WHICH IS IN CORINTH. . . . " (1 Cor. 1:1,2a)
Witness Lee (who died in 1997) never taught that a genuine local church HAD to receive his books or his ministry in order to be a local church. Therefore he did not try to put local churches into his personal pocket as his churches.
That God used him greatly is not a crime.
Nor was the fact that Paul was used to help the Corinthian Christians ground for someone to say that was a PAUL church.
"Now I mean this, that each of you says, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?"
Rajk999 lies with slander to accuse local churches of being Witness Lee's Church.
But then again Rajk999 has lied here for years chronically and is totally unteachable from ANYONE.
@sonship saidSo you are against the Calvinist Church named after John Calvin; who was nothing but a horrible serial killer and all in the name of Christ.
Rajk999 jumps into troll mode with short complaints of erroneous nature.
This describes Witness Lee and his church perfectly:
This servant of God died in 1997. If he had his OWN "church" it probably would have dissolved if the a significant personality was the only thing holding it together.
Lee is gone having served the Lord and done much t ...[text shortened]... emies of the truth will attempt to BRAND local churches as Witness Lee's Church as Rajk999 has done.
@medullah saidCool. But there is a Sherringham ; Norfolk. in England and another Sherringham ; Norfolk. in the USA. Which one are you at?
Am on holiday which is why I haven’t posted. Glad to see that everyone is getting along with each other so well. Look forward to getting back and catching up with you all. Don’t get too squishy with each other in my absence. Regards from Sherringham ; Norfolk.
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So you are against the Calvinist Church named after John Calvin; who was nothing but a horrible serial killer and all in the name of Christ.
It doesn't matter how bad or how good a servant of God is.
Whether the man was a monster or a wonderful person, a practical church is established according to locality.
The boundary of its unity should neither be smaller than or larger than a city.
An area or region like Judea did not have a "Judean church".
It had "the churches in Judea" (1 Thess. 2:14) because there were many cities in Judea.
The "Southern Baptist Church" is therefore a mistaken designation on two points.
Churches are according to localities not ordinances (even scriptural ones).
"Southern" denotes a region. But churches should be according not to regions but cities.
Galatia was also a region. But the Bible never speaks of "the Church in Galatia" or the Galatian Church" as in "Southern _____ Church". The Bible says "the churches of Galatia" (1 Cor. 16:1). That is because Galatia as a region had many cities.
"The Black Church" is a wrong standing. There were no churches according to ethnicity or race. "The White Church" would be wrong as well as a "Red Church" or a "Yellow Church" or a "Brown Church" or an "Olive Church".
Churches were established according to cities.
" . . . What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven churches . . "
"What seven churches Lord ?
Do you mean the Baptist Church, the Southern Baptist Church, the Lutheran Church, the First Street Church in Ephesus or the Tenth Street Church in Sardius? Do you mean the Jewish Church or the Asian Church or the Greek Church? Which seven Lord Jesus ???"
" . . . send it to the seven churches which are in Asia:
to Ephesus and
to Smyrna and
to Pergamos and
to Thyatira and
to Sardis and
to Philadelphia and
to Laodicea"
"And I turned to see the voice that spoke to me; and when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands. And in the midst of the lampstands One like the Son of Man . . . " (Rev. 1:11-13a) And that One was clothed like a priest tending to the seven golden lampstands which signified seven local churches.
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There was no letter written to "Paul Church, Peter Church, Apollos Church, James Church," or Church named after any one of the twelve original apostles.
"The American Church" is a wrong designation. There were no churches established according to countries.
The same goes for "German Church, Korean Church, Chinese Church, Greek Church, Dutch Church, French Church," There were churches established not according to country but according to cities.
There was the church [singular] in Antioch (Acts 3:1) .
Antioch had many streets. But there was not a church for different streets like we have today "First Street Church" or " Eighth Avenue Church" in New York.
Streets are smaller than a locality.
Races or countries are larger than a locality.
So a street church errs on one side.
And a racial church, a country church, a nation church, a ethnicity church errs on the other side.
Jerusalem had hundreds of meetings in homes most likely. For there were at least ten thousand Jewish believers and others in the city. Yet the Holy Spirit never had written "the churches [plural] in Jerusalem" but "the church at Jerusalem" (Acts 8:1) .
Neither did the Lord instruct that the church in the largest most important city Rome be the mother Church over a world wide Roman Public Church. These mistaken divisions limit the blessing of the Holy Spirit that the saints may be supplied with life power from Christ.
@sonship saidIs this yet another attempt to deceive people?
"And I turned to see the voice that spoke to me; and when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands. And in the midst of the lampstands One like the Son of Man . . . " (Rev. 1:11-13a) And that One was clothed like a priest tending to the seven golden lampstands which signified seven local churches.
The bible has nothing about seven local churches.
Why are you so crooked?
Local church is the name of those who follow Witness Lee.
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As you can see Rajk999 is unteachable.
He implies Revelation 1:11 about seven cities with respective seven churches is either not in the Bible or insignificant.
He says "local church" is not in the bible. Actually we get pretty close in Acts 8:1 where it talks about - " Now there were in the church that was at Antioch . . . " (KJV) .
This could be rendered "the church that was there" (ESV)
This could be "the local church" and it would be a clear and fair rendering.
Berean Literal Bible
"the church being there, "
New American Standard
"at Antioch, in the church that was there: "
NASB 1995
" Antioch, in the church that was there, "
Let Rajk999 now provide a reference to there being more than one church in a city anywhere in the New Testament.
The church that was there, in Antioch, was the local church.
There are four places in the New Testament which speak of a church in someone's home or in someone's house. Historically all churches initially started in homes.
If there were many churches according to many houses then Jerusalem in Acts would have been the perfect place to mention many house churches. They met from house to house.
The Holy Spirit only refers to "the church [singular] which was in Jerusalem".
The local ground of a church is in the New Testament.
Throughout the years it has been made clear that Rajk999 hates the very word
church or churches REGARDLESS of what ground they meet on.
The very word church is a dirty word to Rajk999. Read his posts over the years and see for yourself.
@sonship saidThe Local Church is a term used by Witness Lee to refer to the churches that follow HIM and practice HIS DOCTRINE. The Local Church is a CULT. They do not follow the teachings of Christ neither do they follow the example of Paul. They are in no way connected to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. For you to imply that and suggestively state that they are, is deceitful.
As you can see Rajk999 is unteachable.
He implies Revelation 1:11 about seven cities with respective seven churches is either not in the Bible or insignificant.
He says "local church" is not in the bible. Actually we get pretty close in Acts 8:1 where it talks about - " Now there were in the church that was at Antioch . . . " (KJV) .
...[text shortened]... word church is a dirty word to Rajk999. Read his posts over the years and see for yourself.
There can be thousands of churches in one city, moron. Anywhere 2 or more people are gathered in the name of Jesus Christ, THAT IS A CHURCH by the standards of God. Where you gather is not a church because you gather in the name of Witness Lee. Your profession of Lord Lord is hypocritical because in your heart you denounce Christ and the teachings of Christ.
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@Rajk999
Prove it.
You have a powerful search engine at www.ministrybooks.org. You can look up thousands of pages of books under the word local.
Find a definition of a "local church" exactly according to the slanderous specifications you beltched up.
You won't number one.
And you can't number two.
No group of congregating people have you ever wanted to identify with on amny grounds.
You have pushed here the church of "Me Myself and I" trusting no other person for fellowship at all. "Church and churches" of ANY kind have been a dirty word for you since you have vomited out your stench of heretical Bible teaching from your first appearance.
And out of one side of your mouth you say just speaking "Jesus is Lord"
is meaningless. Yet you won't have the courage to even write what is meaningless supposedly.
Since you oppose the Head it is no wonder that you also oppose His Body.
@sonship saidWitness Lee
@Rajk999
Prove it.
You have a powerful search engine at www.ministrybooks.org. You can look up thousands of pages of books under the word local.
Find a definition of a "local church" exactly according to the slanderous specifications you beltched up.
You won't number one.
And you can't number two.
No group of congregating people ha ...[text shortened]... ngless supposedly.
Since you oppose the Head it is no wonder that you also oppose His Body.
- Condemned all other churches
- Elevated hs own Local Church
- Proclaimed that Jesus cannot return unless the Local Church develops
Now you complete the deceit with the implication that the 7 churches of Revelation. represent the Local Churches of Witnesss Lee.
You think people are stupid.
Jesus is the one who said calling him Lord is meaningless.
He said what it is that means something.
But you wont understand.