@sonship saidRev 12 describes TWO EVENTS
Those are TWO SEPARATE EVENTS.
- One taking place in heaven
- Another separate event on Earth
They are not separate events in so that the saints FOUGHT with Devil while they lived on earth.
1. War in heaven:
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Revelation 12:7-9 KJV)
2. Battle on Earth
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. (Revelation 12:10-11 KJV)
The reader knows its war in heaven because the passage states so clearly. The reader can deduce that it is a battle on earth because its says, salvation and the Kingdom of God is come, and Satan is cast down.... to the EARTH.
No saints go to heaven, That is not in the bible.
No saints fight Satan in Heaven. That is not in the bible
The purpose of this false doctrine is a lame attempt to claim that believers in Christ go to heaven.
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No saints go to heaven, That is not in the bible.
No saints fight Satan in Heaven. That is not in the bible
The purpose of this false doctrine is a lame attempt to claim that believers in Christ go to heaven.
You are still wrong on all your assumptions.
You are also unteachable.
This little summary above show ignorance on several levels.
1.) Saints of God are fighting God's enemy WHEREVER they are.
2.) The MAN-child is raptured to Heaven whether you like it or not. And MAN-child means MAN. That is a MAN or MEN caught up to God and to His throne whether you like it or not.
3.) The overcomers do not REMAIN in the third heavens but accompany Christ back DOWN to the earth. But you are unteachable. So I will not gather the many passages which prove this like Revelation 19.
You have NO ANSWER for the obvious fact that the way "THEY, THEM" overcome is through the redeeming blood of the Lamb Jesus Christ.
Show me anywhere in the Bible that Christ shed His blood that the good angels of God might be forgiven of their sins.
The ones who overcome are a HUMANITY - signified by the very word "MAN . . . -CHILD".
But you are unteachable. And the accusing of the brothers is actually something you relish in. You too often act as if you are throwing your hat in with the Devil who accuses the saints before God day and night and day and night for years here.
So continue your accusation for you apparently are enslaved to it.
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The purpose of this false doctrine is a lame attempt to claim that believers in Christ go to heaven.
No it is not if you mean I teach man's eternal happy home is in heaven.
Blind one - the overcomers COME Down with the Victorious Christ to defeat His enemy on earth too.
"And the armies which are in heaven follow HIm on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean." (Rev. 19:14)
I told you before. But you are UNTEACHABLE. You are UNTEACHABLE.
The fine linen bright and clean and pure as a battle garment is the same as the WEDDING GARMENT that the bride is clothed with in verses 7.
"Let us rejoice and exalt, and let us give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.
And it was given to her that she should be clothed in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteousnesses [sic] of the saints." (19:7,8)
Her marriage garment qualifies her to fight with a fighting garment of the same nature. But you are unteachable!
But you are unteachable.
@sonship saidYou really are an arrogant prick, to believe that you are any kind of teacher.The purpose of this false doctrine is a lame attempt to claim that believers in Christ go to heaven.
No it is not if you mean I teach man's eternal happy home is in heaven.
Blind one - the overcomers COME Down with the Victorious Christ to defeat His enemy on earth too.
[b]"And the armies which are in heaven follow HIm on white horses, dres ...[text shortened]... with a fighting garment of the same nature. But you are unteachable!
But you are unteachable.
Satans donkeys cannot teach the Elect of God.... you fool.
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@sonship saidDead Saints in Christ are in the grave.
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[quote] No saints go to heaven, That is not in the bible.
No saints fight Satan in Heaven. That is not in the bible
They await the resurrection as clearly stated in Revelation.
Christ must raise them from the dead before they can do anything
Dead saints are not fighting Satan in Heaven.
Idiot.
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Would you confess before all here "Jesus is Lord" ?
I will. " I Jack Wilmore (aka sonship) confess before God, before Satan, before the world, before all of you - JESUS is LORD. "
" . . . and no one can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3)
With all your Bible knowledge why can you not bring yourself to confess a simple confession that Jesus is Lord ?
Is it because you hold in contempt that a man would come under the lordship of Jesus Christ ? Will you reach for Ecclesiastes or some Old Testament Proverb to excuse yourself from letting the Lord Jesus be Lord Jesus to Rajk999 ?
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Dead Saints in Christ are in the grave.
A selection of them from the past are resurrected and raptured spirit and soul and glorified body to God and His throne in heaven.
This will happen shortly before the last three and one half years of this age.
They await the resurrection as clearly stated in Revelation.
Who said their being resurrected and raptured is NOT something they are waiting for?
In the fifth seal we see the deceased souls crying out to God "HOW LONG?" before He wraps up the age with judgment and their vindication.
"And when He opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and because of the testimony which they had.
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Master, holy and true, will You not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? " (Rev. 6:9,10)
The fifth seal shows saints in paradise under the earth beseeching God for vindication of their consecration to Him and their past martyrdoms - not loving their soul life unto death.
Of course they await vindicating resurrection and rapture.
And a man-child as a remnant of victorious ones are resurrected and raptured to the throne of God in Heaven in advance to the majority.
It is their reward and special honor.
Christ must raise them from the dead before they can do anything
Dead saints are not fighting Satan in Heaven.
And that is what we see in Revelation chapter 12.
You are always into knee-jerk disagreement as a compulsive reaction.
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@sonship saidWhen you lose an argument and when your false doctrines are exposed making you look like a fool before the readers you have to resort to your foolishness.
@Rajk999
Would you confess before all here "Jesus is Lord" ?
I will. " I Jack Wilmore (aka sonship) confess before God, before Satan, before the world, before all of you - JESUS is LORD. "
" . . . and no one can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3)
With all your Bible knowledge why can you not bring yourself to ...[text shortened]... Testament Proverb to excuse yourself from letting the Lord Jesus be Lord Jesus to Rajk999 ?
I have nothing to confess before idiots. You are nothing. You are a follower of Satan. The wise man will read Revelation and see where the saints in Christ are :
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6 KJV)
They are dead, and will be resurrected to rule with Christ in the 1,000 yr reign.
Dead Saints are not fighting Satan in Heaven. You idiot.
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@sonship saidA meaningless hypocritical confession from a Satanic mouthworshipper
" I Jack Wilmore (aka sonship) confess before God, before Satan, before the world, before all of you - JESUS is LORD. "
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Workers of iniquity, like you, proclaiming Lord Lord is what God hates.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Keeping the commandments of Christ, something you hate, which you discourage which you condemn is what makes a man wise
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:21-27 KJV)
You have never once in the last 15 yrs that you are on this site posting volumes and volumes of Witness Lees writings, ever told people to keep the commandments of Christ and DO THEM. Not once.
Therefore according to Christ you are a foolish man
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You have never once in the last 15 yrs that you are on this site posting volumes and volumes of Witness Lees writings, ever told people to keep the commandments of Christ and DO THEM. Not once.
I said to you, unteachable one, that the bride prepares herself with the "righteousnesses [sic] of the saints." Or righteous deeds.
Unteachable one!
The strongest implication of Revelation 19:7 is that not only the redeeming blood but the righteous DEEDS that they have lived by QUALIFIES THEM - not for the GIFT of eternal life, but for the honor being the first to experience being His bride and His bridal fighting army.
Now, why would I bring such attention to "the RIGHTEOUSNESSES [sic] of the saints" IF I did not believe DEEDS lived out and acts of righteousness were not important to God's plan?
ANSWER ME. WHY . . . WHY would I draw attention to "the righteousnesses [sic] [or righteous deeds] of the saints" if I did not regard acts of righteousness to be important to the normal Christian life ?
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I see the PRINCIPLE of the saints saved by Jesus crushing Satan under THEIR feet.
When you say church, do you mean the Catholic church? Mormon Church? Jehovah witness church? Lutheran Church? Methodist Church? Presbyterian church? etc, etc, etc. And, they all say that they are the ones who have it right; and that, everyone else is going to hell because they have it wrong. Do you mean one of those churches? Do these churches have Christ as their head? Or their man-made religion? A personal pet-peeve of mine.
Don't let me get away with [not] addressing this gem.
No, I didn't ignore it, altogether.
Stay tuned. You deserve some kind of reply.
I wanted to put more establishment on the man-child being a collective first.