@sonship saidRIGHTEOUSNESSES ?? ... You have the gall to bold that ? There is no such word in the KJV. The only time such words appear is when someone fabricates a bible like what Witness Lee did. He hired a quack to reinterpret the bible and changed the meaning of words to suit his false teachings and you like a gullible dog, swallowed all his vomit.
@Rajk999
You have never once in the last 15 yrs that you are on this site posting volumes and volumes of Witness Lees writings, ever told people to keep the commandments of Christ and DO THEM. Not once.
I said to you, unteachable one, that the bride prepares herself with the "righteousnesses [sic] of the saints." Or righteous deeds ...[text shortened]... ints" [/b] if I did not regard acts of righteousness to be important to the normal Christian life ?
Here is what the KJV says:
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Revelation 19:8 KJV)
That in no way qualifies as proper teaching of the commandments of Christ.
You are a liar and a deceiver.
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Some other English translations of Rev. 19:8 pasted in: [MY bolding]
New International Version
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)
New Living Translation (a paraphrase)
She has been given the finest of pure white linen to wear.” For the fine linen represents the good deeds of God’s holy people.
English Standard Version
it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Berean Study Bible
She was given clothing of fine linen, bright and pure.” For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints.
Berean Literal Bible
And it was given to her that she should be clothed in bright, pure, fine linen." For the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
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More pasted in: my bolding:
New King James Version
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
New American Standard Bible
It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
NASB 1995
It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
NASB 1977
And it was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Amplified Bible
She has been permitted to dress in fine linen, dazzling white and clean—for the fine linen signifies the righteous acts of the saints [the ethical conduct, personal integrity, moral courage, and godly character of believers].
Christian Standard Bible
She was given fine linen to wear, bright and pure. For the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
She was given fine linen to wear, bright and pure. For the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints.
What are you going to say now unteachable?
Notice above the New King James Version
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And now that terrible old Recovery Version with study notes by Witness Lee that terrible deceiving so-called "charlatan." Horrors! Run! Run for your life !
Rev. 19:8 - And it was given to her that she should be clothed in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteousnesses of the saints.
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@sonship saidThere is no word as righteousnesses in the English language, neither in the KJV. Yet you continue to use it as if it were a word. That word only exists in the false bible produced by Witless Lee.
More pasted in: my bolding:
New King James Version
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
New American Standard Bible
It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
NAS ...[text shortened]... What are you going to say now unteachable?
Notice above the New King James Version
The man is a fraud and you are a moron for following after a fraud. You have no Holy Spirit, no Spirit of Christ or Spirit of God. Proof of that is that do not teach any doctrine of Christ and you encourage sin and evil, like an agent of Satan.
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@Rajk999
If you were consistent, you would prefer the other translations I submitted to the King James Version on Rev. 19:8.
You're too stupid the realize that the better rendering actually makes a better case for YOUR kind of argument (not that it is right).
Fortunately, the New King James noticed the Greek and did a better job to render the word as righteous acts.
The RcV is wooden in translating it righteousnesses. And the footnote explains what the peculiar literal translation would mean.
But you're too stupid to even realize that the better renderings of the Greek are in FAVOR of an understanding of the Christians' ACTS, BEHAVIOR, DEEDS done.
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@sonship saidDo I look like I need some fool to change the meaning of the KJV to suit my argument ? Thats the dishonest modus operandi of crooks like you and Witness Lee.
@Rajk999
If you were consistent, you would prefer the other translations I submitted to the King James Version on Rev. 19:8.
You're too stupid the realize that the better rendering actually makes a better case for YOUR kind of argument (not that it is right).
Fortunately, the New King James noticed the Greek and did a better job to render t ...[text shortened]... etter renderings of the Greek are in FAVOR of an understanding if ACTS, BEHAVIOR, DEEDS done.
First I have no argument, neither to I resort to long ridiculous explanations and analysis like you do. That is a clear sign of a false teacher desperately trying to promote a false doctrine
Next, the teachings of Jesus Christ do not need explanation or special rendering. Jesus's words are clear and teachers like you he called them fools and hypocrites.
Take a hike.
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Notice carefully readers.
Rajk999 will never refer to the teachings of "the LORD Jesus Christ"
Next, the teachings of Jesus Christ . . .
" . . . and no one can say Jesus is Lord! except in the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3) .
Beware of Watchtower students, Jehovah's Witnesses, and JW wanna be types who may have been drop outs or left the group in a huff with JW teaching material.
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@sonship saidHow does that justify and excuse you and your false doctrines and lies.
Notice carefully readers.
Rajk999 will never refer to the teachings of "the LORD Jesus Christ"
Next, the teachings of Jesus Christ . . .
" . . . and no one can say Jesus is Lord! except in the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3) .
Beware of Watchtower students, Jehovah's Witnesses, and JW wanna be types who may have been drop outs or left the group in a huff with JW teaching material.
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@Rajk999
Neither me, nor Witness Lee, nor the RcV, nor ANYONE ELSE here is preventing you from confessing "Jesus Christ is LORD" .
Lord Jesus have mercy on this man.
"Indeed unto this day, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
But whenever their heart turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom." (2 Cor. 3:15,16)
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@sonship saidDo I really look like I need spiritual assistance from a Satan like you? Paul warned true followers of Christ about people like you.
@Rajk999
Neither me, nor Witness Lee, nor the RcV, nor ANYONE ELSE here is preventing you from confessing "Jesus Christ is LORD" .
Lord Jesus have mercy on this man.
"Indeed unto this day, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
But whenever their heart turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom." (2 Cor. 3:15,16)
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 KJV)
You appear to preach righteousness but you encourage sin and evil..
Get away from me, you sick disgusting man
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I see the PRINCIPLE of the saints saved by Jesus crushing Satan under THEIR feet.
When you say church, do you mean the Catholic church? Mormon Church? Jehovah witness church? Lutheran Church? Methodist Church? Presbyterian church? etc, etc, etc. And, they all say that they are the ones who have it right; and that, everyone else is going to hell because they have it wrong. Do you mean one of those churches? Do these churches have Christ as their head? Or their man-made religion? A personal pet-peeve of mine.
I would answer this in accordance to the two passages I quoted.
First Romans 16:20 -
"Now the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you."
First this saying of Paul assumes that the previous exhortations, teachings, and truths if the former 15 chapters have been received and become the supplied truths to the local church there in Rome.
All of the previous chapters are needed for a recovery of a prevailing and normal overcoming church life. All of the foregoing teaching of the whole book of Romans is Paul's pre-requisite for a prevailing grace filled victorious body of believers QUALIFIED to be a defeating community under whose feet Satan is crushed - BECAUSE they are one with the crushing Son of God.
So first I would say that it is not a matter of which denomination. Division itself is a defeat for the Christians. But when oneness in the life of Christ is prevailing Satan is defeated by the testimony of the church.
I think Paul's exhortation is meant universally. The church there in Rome is just representative of all the blessings of salvation meant to EQUIP the saints to prevail in Christ and overcome the enemy of God.
Eventually the church universal and triumphant cannot fail to be brought into a full grown man "at the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ" (Eph. 4:13)
We saints will all arrive as churching people. We may not all arrive at the same time necessarily. But we will all arrive and the church universal will crush Satan under our feet as we have become the functioning Body of Christ.
"Until we all arrive at the oneness of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, at a full grown man, at the measure of the stature if the fullness of Christ, etc. etc" (See Eph. 4:13-16)
Having said that . . . let's turn to Revelation 12.
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I see the PRINCIPLE of the saints saved by Jesus crushing Satan under THEIR feet.
When you say church, do you mean the Catholic church? Mormon Church? Jehovah witness church? Lutheran Church? Methodist Church? Presbyterian church? etc, etc, etc. And, they all say that they are the ones who have it right; and that, everyone else is going to hell because they have it wrong. Do you mean one of those churches? Do these churches have Christ as their head? Or their man-made religion? A personal pet-peeve of mine.
There are three stratagems that the church must overcome.
1.) Satan seeks to REPLACE Christ with something ELSE.
2.) Satan seeks to limit the function of the members of Christ's Body.
3.) Satan seeks to cut up and divide [edited] the church into pieces.
This is a three-fold strategy which the church on earth ever fights against.
That saints be DESTRACTED from Christ as life by something ELSE.
That saints be rendered functionless because they are paryliuzed by a limiting clergy / laity heirarchy.
The saints would be divided into denominations weakening the unity of the Body.
The church that can crush Satan under their feet is the church which can overcome these strategies of the enemy.
Please notice this is not a matter of having spiritual giants only make up the church.
The church in Philadelphia Jesus said had "a little strength" YET before Christ opened a door which no one could shut - a door into the kingdom age.
And he CLOSED a door of opposition which no one could be able to open.
She had a little strength. But she had love for the brothers and she kept the word of the Lord's endurance. Not many spiritual giants but many "little common" believers who love one another in oneness and hold to the Lord's life and word.
"And to the messenger of the church in Philadelphia [brotherly love] write:
These things says the Holy One, the true One who has the key of David, the One who opens and no one will shut, and shuts and no one opens:
I know your works, behold, I have put before you an opened door which no one can shut, because you have a little power and have kept My word and have not denied My name." (Rev. 3:7,8)
May the Lord recover this kind of church life in many cities across the globe. They have a little power. But they have brotherly love and have taken up no other name but the name of the Lord Jesus.
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When you say church, do you mean the Catholic church?
The Roman Catholic Church is a MIXTURE. True saints of God are surely there.
But Satan has attacked with MIXTURE to dilute the church with all kinds of superstition, idolatry, hypocrisy, even the occult - a MIXTURE to confuse, befuddle, and put into a drunken stupor the saints because of too much MIXTURE.
She cannot crush Satan as a whole. But some overcomers from within her will no doubt be a part of the man-child resurrected and raptured.
Mormon Church?
The Mormon so-called church holds the New Testament totally SUBSERVIANT to the writings of Joseph Smith and the book of Mormon. It is not a true Christian body.
But that SOME inadvertently Christian here or there may have been caught in her and make up a part of the resurrected and raptured man-child I would not say is impossible.
Mormonism as a whole is of the spirit of the antichrist.
Jehovah witness church?
JW's are a Christian church HATING religious organization. They boast of unity.
But they deny Christ as God incarnate and deny His resurrection. The words they use are similar. But their dictionary changes the meanings.
If there are true Christians CAUGHT in the JW's who have been overcomers in spite of being mixed up in that heretical Christ opposing organization it is not impossible (imo) that one of more may be resurrected and raptured to be a part of the man-child.
Lutheran Church?
That is a division. That is a denomination.
Luther himself would probably NEVER agree for a church to be named after himself even though God used him so.
If there have been Christians within the Lutheran denomination who, in spite of their involvement with the division, were overcomers, they too might be participants in the resurrected and raptured man-child.
Methodist Church?
This is another denomination - a division.
What I said concerning the denomination of Lutheranism as a "church" applies to the Methodist denomination as well.
The resurrected and raptured man-child may contain some who in spite of their involvement with this division, were victorious and overcoming.
Presbyterian church? etc, etc, etc.
The same applies with this division, this denomination.
Churches in the New Testament were designated by localities, by cities. Churches in the NT were not designated by people no matter how spiritual, doctrines no matter how right, races, nationalities, countries, regions, practices, methods of baptism, emphasis-es on particular doctrines rightly or less rightly.
Churches established by the apostles were established according to cities.
And for churches established according to cities the same applies as what I wrote above. It is just that the standing of a church according to locality is a proper standing.
It is not a guarantee that those involved will be overcomers participating in the victorious resurrection and rapture of the man-child.
IMO they have a better chance because ONENESS releases blessing and division fosters weakness.
And, they all say that they are the ones who have it right; and that, everyone else is going to hell because they have it wrong. Do you mean one of those churches? Do these churches have Christ as their head? Or their man-made religion? A personal pet-peeve of mine.
The proper churches [plural] in the New Testament were according to cities and nothing else.
" . . . What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven churches: "
WHAT seven churches ? ? ?
What follows is the mentioning of seven localities.
" . . . send it to the seven churches:
to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamos and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicia."
Seven churches = seven localities. This is the true nature of a local church.
The standing of the church is local oneness which is designated for the whole city or locality.
It is not a utopia. It is simply the God ordained standing.
Therefore churches named for people, races, countries, doctrines, methods, interpretations, spiritual gifts, ethnicities, regions, are not the God ordained standing of a practical church.
This has to do with the standing of a church and not the condition of spirituality.
The church in Corinth was full of problems and not a perfect utopian Christian congregation. But she had the proper standing as a local church - a church according to locality - the city of Corinth.
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@sonship saidWhat a long post of myopic nonsenseWhen you say church, do you mean the Catholic church?
The Roman Catholic Church is a MIXTURE. True saints of God are surely there.
But Satan has attacked with MIXTURE to dilute the church with all kinds of superstition, idolatry, hypocrisy, even the occult - a MIXTURE to confuse, befuddle, and put into a drunken stupor the saints because of too much MIXTUR ...[text shortened]... he had the proper standing as a local church - a church according to locality - the city of Corinth.