02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayI do not deny that Jesus came for the lost. I do deny the non judgemental inclusive Jesus loves everyone stuff thrown around by so many.
I agree He spoke in parables to hide specific truth, but He came for the lost. For reasons you do not know God did and didn't do somethings. You are latching on to tidbits and missing the big picture.
If Jesus wanted to save everyone, he would not have taught in parables.
Originally posted by @eladarHe came to save the lost, the lost people with the ability to choose. The Lord promised us that when we seek Him with all of our hearts we would find Him. That would not have been the case if He removed the need to seek Him with all of our hearts!
I do not deny that Jesus came for the lost. I do deny the non judgemental inclusive Jesus loves everyone stuff thrown around by so many.
If Jesus wanted to save everyone, he would not have taught in parables.
He set up the universe so those sins we refuse to let go snd repent from bind us, we need set free and Jesus came to do that, set us free. He came for all of us, but only those who respond to Him positively can be saved.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayI said Jesus didn't want to save all and you agreed.
He came to save the lost, the lost people with the ability to choose. The Lord promised us that when we seek Him with all of our hearts we would find Him. That would not have been the case if He removed the need to seek Him with all of our hearts!
He set up the universe so those sins we refuse to let go snd repent from bind us, we need set free and Jesu ...[text shortened]... that, set us free. He came for all of us, but only those who respond to Him positively be saved.
That's good enough for me.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarI did not agree with your heartless despicable view that God wanted any to perish! The sad truth is most are lost and will remain that way, it isn't because God wanted any to die, it is because of our hard hearts
I said Jesus didn't want to save all and you agreed.
That's good enough for me.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayOtherwise they might see with their eyes,
I did not agree with your heartless despicable view that God wanted any to perish! The sad truth is most are lost and will remain that way, it isn't because God wanted any to die, it is because of our hard hearts
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them
Jesus said it not me.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarI agree totally.
Jesus choosing Judas to be part of the 12 must also have been part of God's plan.
If Judas was a part of a plan and Judas would refuse, then he doesn't deserve the hero status. Judas agreed to his part of the divine plan. And he did it all right!
And what does he get from so called christians?
Love and respect? No, hate and disrespect!
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladar2 Peter 3:9
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them
Jesus said it not me.
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayAny? Any person ever in existence?
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
That doesn't make much sense since no one can resist God unless you believe in universal salvation.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @suzianneYet Paul tells us that no one can resist the creator, some were created for noble purpose some were created for common.
Except no one is talking about "resisting" God. God doesn't force us to do ANYthing. Accepting him is on US. No one else.
Did God create them that way as Paul said?
Did John the Baptist have a choice? Did Pharaoh have a choice? Did Judas have a choice after Jesus declared that Judas would betray him?
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarWhy are you not agree? You are both christians, aren't you? And the universal truth is the same for both of you, right? So why?
Yet Paul tells us that no one can resist the creator, some were created for noble purpose some were created for common.
Did God create them that way as Paul said?
Did John the Baptist have a choice? Did Pharaoh have a choice? Did Judas have a choice after Jesus declared that Judas would betray him?
Just pray for the answer, both of you, and you will have the correct answer in a jiffie. God hears the prayers, and answers them. Always! So I've heard.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @fabianfnasBecause many Christians follow false beliefs introduced by false prophets.
Why are you not agree? You are both christians, aren't you? And the universal truth is the same for both of you, right? So why?
Just pray for the answer, both of you, and you will have the correct answer in a jiffie. God hears the prayers, and answers them. Always! So I've heard.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarI get that, and still you must have blinders on to avoid looking at the whole of scripture so
Yet Paul tells us that no one can resist the creator, some were created for noble purpose some were created for common.
Did God create them that way as Paul said?
Did John the Baptist have a choice? Did Pharaoh have a choice? Did Judas have a choice after Jesus declared that Judas would betray him?
that only those things you think support your views are the only things you see. God, has
setup the universe and is working to save as many as He can, He does this in a way to
not destroy our ability to make a choice and walk in faith. To just step out and prove He is
real would not allow for choices, or faith, also to make it so we don't have to search out
for God with all of our hearts would leave us in a very bad place too.
The riches and cares of this world choke out the life of those halfheartedly serving God,
they get much and forget God, they have little they curse life and God. Someone who is
content no matter what, because God is in their life will be able to handle all this life can
throw at them good or bad.
02 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @eladarWe are all sinners, every single one of us, but your doctrine has some no matter what they
Yet Paul tells us that no one can resist the creator, some were created for noble purpose some were created for common.
Did God create them that way as Paul said?
Did John the Baptist have a choice? Did Pharaoh have a choice? Did Judas have a choice after Jesus declared that Judas would betray him?
do or say or going to be chosen for Hell, and others Heaven. Nothing about God's grace
really matters, nothing about our walk with God matters. You even said once there are
those that are serving God and are going to Hell because that is what God wants.
God is Holy, Righteous, True, doesn't lie and you reject all of that. Instead you have made
the case that Judas and Satan to be faithful workers of God, and even being such are still
going to be thrown into Hell. We have choices, when we make them we will live or die
according to them. You cannot see that God knows, therefore He can tell us things He
wants to and that is NOT forcing anything to occur, it is just revealing what will.
You want to blame God for all choices made by us, saying we have no choice in any
manner even with all of the scripture that tells us to repent, to avoid sin, to love one
another, and God. If we were bound to only do those things that God wanted why does
He have to tell us to do anything if no one can resist His will, why give us commandments
if we cannot resist His will, why warn us about bad choices if no one can resist His will.