02 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @eladarYou have a little god, a horrible little one that cause people to go to Hell with no choice,
Yet Paul tells us that no one can resist the creator, some were created for noble purpose some were created for common.
Did God create them that way as Paul said?
Did John the Baptist have a choice? Did Pharaoh have a choice? Did Judas have a choice after Jesus declared that Judas would betray him?
no means of salvation offered to them to reject or accept, no help from a savior who bled
and died for them to offer them a way out. You push all evil upon God, and take no
responsibility for your own actions, and to top it all off you call everyone here a child of
Satan for calling you out on your irresponsible doctrines as you twist the scriptures to
suit you hateful mangled doctrine of a choice less universe.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayIgnore the question and attack the person asking it.
You have a little god, a horrible little one that cause people to go to Hell with no choice,
no means of salvation offered to them to reject or accept, no help from a savior who bled
and died for them to offer them a way out. You push all evil upon God, and take no
responsibility for your own actions, and to top it all off you call everyone here a child ...[text shortened]... nes as you twist the scriptures to
suit you hateful mangled doctrine of a choice less universe.
02 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @eladarI've not ignored the question, your blinders have stopped you from seeing the answer right
Ignore the question and attack the person asking it.
in front of you. I've also not attacked you, but your filthy doctrine. Did I call you a child of
Satan, no I did not do that, that is from your bag of tricks.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou have a little god, a horrible little one that cause people to go to Hell with no choice, no means of salvation offered to them to reject or accept, no help from a savior who bled and died for them to offer them a way out. You push all evil upon God, and take no responsibility for your own actions, and to top it all off you call everyone here a child of Satan for calling you out on your irresponsible doctrines as you twist the scriptures to suit you hateful mangled doctrine of a choice less universe.
And yet sonship, having started a whole thread in order to preach to everybody on this very subject, refuses - or is otherwise unable - to say that Eladar is not a good Christian to follow. You deserve credit for your candour.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @fmfSupport from you and Suzi should be enough to trouble his heart.
[b]You have a little god, a horrible little one that cause people to go to Hell with no choice, no means of salvation offered to them to reject or accept, no help from a savior who bled and died for them to offer them a way out. You push all evil upon God, and take no responsibility for your own actions, and to top it all off you call everyone here a child of S ...[text shortened]... ble - to say that Eladar is not a good Christian to follow. You deserve credit for your candour.
02 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @eladarWhat troubles your heart nothing? Exactly how hard do you think a heart has to be, that
Support from you and Suzi should be enough to trouble his heart.
nothing troubles it? I actually take everything you, FMF, and others here say about me
very seriously, because I know that friends may not see, or tell me things I'm doing wrong,
while others who are looking for faults will, some maybe valid, others not so much, so they
are all matters of prayer. I can screw up, get mad, do and say things I later regret, I wish
I was perfect, but I and everyone here knows that I'm not.
What do you do with criticism, ignore it all?
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayStuff has troubled my heart in the past.
What troubles your heart nothing? Exactly how hard do you think a heart has to be, that
nothing troubles it? I actually take everything you, FMF, and others here say to about me
very seriously, because I know that friends may not see, or tell me things I'm doing wrong,
while others who are looking for faults will, some maybe valid, others not so much, s ...[text shortened]... ct, but I and everyone here knows that I'm not.
What do you do with criticism, ignore it all?
But when one knows to be still and know that "I am" is God, then there is a peace like a river.
Trust in God, after all it is His world.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarYes, unless according to your doctrine, God may pull the rug out from under you and cast
Stuff has troubled my heart in the past.
But when one knows to be still and know that "I am" is God, then there is a peace like a river.
Trust in God, after all it is His world.
you into Hell no matter what you are doing. That is one of the great ugly things about the
way you have been describing your doctrine, God cannot be taken at His word, because
His will not His Word that causes Him to do things. When God makes a promise, when He
lays out His place we can trust Him to keep His word, with your doctrine, we can only
hope He doesn't want us in Hell, because we have no way to avoid it.
02 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @kellyjayYour concern should be for God's will not yours.
Yes, unless according to your doctrine, God may pull the rug out from under you and cast
you into Hell no matter what you are doing. That is one of the great ugly things about the
way you have been describing your doctrine, God cannot be taken at His word, because
His will not His Word that causes Him to do things. When God makes a promise, when He
lay ...[text shortened]... your doctrine, we can only
hope He doesn't want us in Hell, because we have no way to avoid it.
If I have eternal life great, all to the glory of God.
If I do not have eternal life great, all to the glory of God.
02 Sep 17
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Originally posted by @eladar2 Peter 1:4
Your concern should be for God's will not yours.
If I have eternal life great, all to the glory of God.
If I do not have eternal life great, all to the glory of God.
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Luke 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
2 Corinthians 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
If you are a son of God, has this happen to you?
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayBecause I do not make the call. Being human my judgement is not perfect. I xan trust and believe, but I am not arrogant enough to presume my opinion of the final destination must be true.
Why are you not sure?
All I do know is that in the end, all is to the glory of Gid. That shpuld be enough for anyone.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarNot our opinion, but God's, if God makes us a promise, do you think that it then is on us
Because I do not make the call. Being human my judgement is not perfect. I xan trust and believe, but I am not arrogant enough to presume my opinion of the final destination must be true.
All I do know is that in the end, all is to the glory of Gid. That shpuld be enough for anyone.
to trust Him?
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @eladarHardly, I pray daily that my will lines up with His, that I don't do things that cause others to
Your concern should be for God's will not yours.
If I have eternal life great, all to the glory of God.
If I do not have eternal life great, all to the glory of God.
stumble away from God, that my will isn't so selfish that I neglect what God wants. My will
is exactly what I am concern about, because I trust God's, not mine.
02 Sep 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou pray each day, but that is no guarantee. All you end up doing with your prayers is convince yourself that your beliefs are in line with God.
Hardly, I pray daily that my will lines up with His, that I don't do things that cause others to
stumble away from God, that my will isn't so selfish that I neglect what God wants. My will
is exactly what I am concern about, because I trust God's, not mine.
Who needs a Bible when one can pray to have your beliefs aline with God?