Spirituality
05 Jun 22
17 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidHow am I an "anti-Christ", KellyJay? I am well aware, having been a Christian myself, that that is the just about the evilest and most depraved insult you can hurl at me. It would be less ghastly if you were calling me a paedophile or a rapist. "An anti-Christ"? What on Earth is the matter with you?
So you could
move from someone who professed love for Christ to an anti-Christ with nothing
but thought.
Sometimes your faith - which is, of course, "nothing but thought" too, KellyJay - seems little more than a bitter grab bag of intellectually disingenuous gimmicks and sanctimonious misanthropy.
Are you trying to [1] convert me or [2] convert others here through what you say or [3] are you just engaged in - what Suzianne calls - [self-sanctified] masturbation?
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@kellyjay saidI’m not missing any point at all, I’m replying to another one of your assertions.
You are missing the point deny God was ever real and leaving that godless faith is denying a godless faith, which I think is actually a good thing. If God isn’t a reality in your beliefs what is there is an empty faith void of the most high God. A Christian without God is no different than an Atheist except for the confession, the reality is no different. Which is also why some who profess Christ have more in common with Atheists than others who profess the Lord.
How does a person “fall away” without “denying God”?
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@kellyjay said. So you couldHere’s another example of your malicious nature, calling someone “anti christ”. Why don’t you call him a “tare” also?
move from someone who professed love for Christ to an anti-Christ with nothingbut thought.
The more you post on this topic with FMF the more I see the real you being draw out into the open.
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17 Jun 22
@fmf saidIt could be a thread on its own.
Rajk999: Does "fall away" mean neglect to, or stop, obeying Jesus's commandments? What say you divegeester?
Despite KellyJay introducing the phrase in his exchanges with you, what he actually believes is means is anyone’s guess. Presumably to him it’s state of being where one is due to have exacted upon them something even worse than (his version of) Jesus overseeing them being eternally dipped in a lake of lava.
To me it is the place where the lost lamb in the parable is trapped and waiting for the good shepherd to rescue it.
17 Jun 22
@fmf saidGod is real; the reality of God gives reality its being. Had you known that there
Your faith is "all between your ears" too, KellyJay.
IF God were real, IF God were real, IF God were real, IF God were real, IF God were real, IF God were real... exactly: IF.
would be no if, you flipped flopped on the reality of God. Since the truth is
wrapped up in God, He doesn't change; we do. He does not disappear due to
our circumstances. The "if God" was all about your flipping between opinions, not
the reality of God, which you deny. God not being real to you now means He
never was.
17 Jun 22
@fmf saidWe can know the truth and be set free by it, and your denial is simply a truth
Your faith does not create "truth". We can only speculate about "the truth" in these matters. Whatever "the truth" might be, it is not affected by your faith or by my loss of faith. That leaves us both firmly in the realm of subjectivity and personal opinion.
statement about the truth, which you are admitting is all you can do.
17 Jun 22
@fmf saidIt is simply those that oppose the reality of Jesus Christ, and you now meet that
How am I an "anti-Christ", KellyJay? I am well aware, having been a Christian myself, that that is the just about the evilest and most depraved insult you can hurl at me. It would be less ghastly if you were calling me a paedophile or a rapist. "An anti-Christ"? What on Earth is the matter with you?
Sometimes your faith - which is, of course, "nothing but thought" too, KellyJ ...[text shortened]... what you say or [3] are you just engaged in - what Suzianne calls - [self-sanctified] masturbation?
definition, do you not, by the way, you define yourself?
17 Jun 22
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@divegeester saidTo lose something, one must have it; first. For one to be a Christian requires Jesus
I’m not missing any point at all, I’m replying to another one of your assertions.
How does a person “fall away” without “denying God”?
Christ in your life. Deny God is real now, says that had to also be true for his whole
life; all the experiences with God in the past couldn't be true; they are all denied as
never being real. Many are leaving a belief system, a godless Christianity, for the
reality they belong to a godless one without the pretense; they are showing their
true colors. We are either conforming to being like Christ with Christ in this life
by the work of God in us through God sanctifying us, or we are moving away from
Him; an absolute denial of God is where some go.
17 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidI am well aware of the tenets of your faith and all the personal opinions and fantastical claims that it consists of, KellyJay.
We can know the truth and be set free by it, and your denial is simply a truth
statement about the truth, which you are admitting is all you can do.