Spirituality
05 Jun 22
17 Jun 22
@fmf saidSo you accept that Jesus, the Word of God, has come in the flesh?
I know what your religious faith is, KellyJay. Not sharing this particular superstitious belief of yours is NOT synonymous with me believeing "there is NO God". You are being very low-integrity.
Do you accept that Jesus, the Word of God, comes into the body of those who put
their faith in Him?
It isn't my religious faith you have to deal with; you can leave me out of the
conversation completely, and those two questions would remain.
@kellyjay saidI am not a Christian anymore, KellyJay. Have you never read any of my posts? Just because I do not share your superstitious claims about yourself and about Jesus, it does not mean I am claiming there is no creator entity.
So you accept that Jesus, the Word of God, has come in the flesh?
Do you accept that Jesus, the Word of God, comes into the body of those who put
their faith in Him?
@kellyjay saidYour religious faith is ALL I have to deal with, KellyJay. Everything you post is about you and your personal opinions. You have nothing else to offer. The "meta-narritive" that appeals to your imagination and helps you to make sense of your life creates no moral or spiritual dilemma or jeopardy for me. Everything you post is 100% about you.
It isn't my religious faith you have to deal with; you can leave me out of the
conversation completely, and those two questions would remain.
18 Jun 22
@Soothfast
Thanks, Sooth. Yes, that's why I left. Thought I'd look in again some years down the road. I'm not sure things have changed much.
@kellyjay saidIn an alternative world where KellyJay isn't intent on beating his hairy Christian chest, maybe this would be his advice:
Split the hairs anyway you want, bottom line you deny Christ has come into the
flesh as an atheist and through all of our conversations it is a repeated claim that
we cannot know Him. From Christian to Anti-Christ.
@kellyjay said
It is a pity, FMF. You were on the right path. Trust me. You were right to believe in Jesus. You may have lost your faith and now consider faith to be a function of cognition, but when you believed Jesus was real - when you believed he was real, just like I believe he is real - you were tapping into the truth. Don't forget how He transformed your life - you've said it yourself - how He affected everything. I hope you can return to that spiritual state. Never forget what the reality of Jesus meant to you. Let that guide you back. Now, your fate is uncertain. I don't know what caused you to doubt, to falter, to weaken, to question, but never mind that; I know full well I am not going to bully you back to faith with logic or silly doctrinal threats and warnings; I know that that is not how spiritual transformation works. Never forget the countless moments when Jesus - your belief in Jesus - carried you through the hard times and made you thankful for the good times. Don't let that memory and the lessons learnt from that experience slip away. You were right about Jesus. You were right to believe He was there for you. Regardless of how you feel about it all now. I will pray for you to be able to come to terms with whatever caused your faith to slip away.
Alas, in THIS "world", KellyJay's purported 'Christian spirit' only knows about "damnation" and the "Anti-Christ" and people "lying" about believing in Jesus, and everyone "deserving" to be tortured, and all the rest of the hairy-chested religionist and doctrinal stuff.
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18 Jun 22
@fmf saidIf I have £ for every time you have reminded KellyJay of this fact, I would be able to buy a flight over to Indonesia for you to buy me a beer?
Your religious faith is ALL I have to deal with, KellyJay. Everything you post is about you and your personal opinions. You have nothing else to offer. The "meta-narritive" that appeals to your imagination and helps you to make sense of your life creates no moral or spiritual dilemma or jeopardy for me. Everything you post is 100% about you.
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18 Jun 22
@fmf saidExcellent post, and reflective of our conversation yesterday.
In an alternative world where KellyJay isn't intent on beating his hairy Christian chest, maybe this would be his advice:
@kellyjay said
[i]It is a pity, FMF. You were on the right path. Trust me. You were right to believe in Jesus. You may have lost your faith and now consider faith to be a function of cognition, but when you believed Jesus was real - when you believe ...[text shortened]... e "deserving" to be tortured, and all the rest of the hairy-chested religionist and doctrinal stuff.
18 Jun 22
@fmf saidIt is the scriptures that tell us who belongs to the Lord and who doesn't, and they
I am not a Christian anymore, KellyJay. Have you never read any of my posts? Just because I do not share your superstitious claims about yourself and about Jesus, it does not mean I am claiming there is no creator entity.
say quite clearly that those who don't have the Spirit of God in them don't belong
to the Lord, and they are also clear on what an Anti Christ is described as. You can
redefine things all you want, if Christ wasn't in you ever, and I don't mean just
psychologically but reality, and when you opposed Jesus you also become what
that means to.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
18 Jun 22
@fmf saidYou must make things up as if I said them to prove your point.
In an alternative world where KellyJay isn't intent on beating his hairy Christian chest, maybe this would be his advice:
@kellyjay said
[i]It is a pity, FMF. You were on the right path. Trust me. You were right to believe in Jesus. You may have lost your faith and now consider faith to be a function of cognition, but when you believed Jesus was real - when you believe ...[text shortened]... e "deserving" to be tortured, and all the rest of the hairy-chested religionist and doctrinal stuff.
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18 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidWhat happens then when a Christian “falls away”?
It is the scriptures that tell us who belongs to the Lord and who doesn't, and they
say quite clearly that those who don't have the Spirit of God in them don't belong
to the Lord, and they are also clear on what an Anti Christ is described as. You can
redefine things all you want, if Christ wasn't in you ever, and I don't mean just
psychologically but reality, and when you opposed Jesus you also become what
that means to.
18 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidWho said anything about "redefining" what "Anti-Christ" means? Not me. Why are you being so disingenuous? You labelling me "an Anti-Christ" is completely irrelevant. I am not a Christian.
they are also clear on what an Anti Christ is described as. You can
redefine things all you want
18 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidThread 193601
Split the hairs anyway you want, bottom line you deny Christ has come into the
flesh as an atheist and through all of our conversations it is a repeated claim that
we cannot know Him. From Christian to Anti-Christ.