Noah's Ark?

Originally posted by galveston75
You'll never understand that all animals on earth came from the ones on the ark unless you recognize that God was involved in making it happen. So by shutting God out of the picture the flood will never seem possible to you.

So there was miraculous intervention. So why don't you use the same argument in other places? When you are asked about mud in ice cores, why don't you simply say "God cleaned it up"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
all living creatures designated by God, Noobster.

It appears that i've over estimated the size of the Ark Rob, the New International Version of the Bible gives the size as 450ft long, 75ft wide and 45ft high. Which gives a total space of -

43,019m3. Way less than my initial calculation of 57,000m3.

Now if we take just elephants Rob, and the four species of elephants. That means we have a minimum of 8 elephants on board. With each elephant on board having to eat around 140kgs of food EVERYDAY, that works out at 1120kg of food for elephants each day alone. For the entire 150 days duration on board the Ark, the elephants on board would have to have 168,000kg/168 tonnes of food stored on board!!! That's a lot of food to store on a boat that only has 43,019m3 of space. If elephants were classed as clean animals then there is masses more to store.

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With regard to your view about some animals not being on the Ark, Genesis 7 23 is quite explicit that any animal that wasn't on the Ark was killed.

Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
i have given up long ago. debating the carrobie is like going to the dentist and having the wrong tooth removed: painful and afterwards you are no better than when you first got there.

LOL I have to laugh at that 🙂 R.C. That is funny man I hate the dentist.....


Manny

Originally posted by twhitehead
Why don't you quote the prophesy, then show how the historical events bore out the prophesy.
Keep in mind that the writers of the gospels were probably aware of the prophesy, and their testimony should be taken with some skepticism.

Isaiah 9
Birth and Reign of the Prince of Peace
1But there will be no more gloom for her who was in anguish; in earlier times He treated the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali with contempt, but later on He shall make it glorious, by the way of the sea, on the other side of Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles.
2The people who walk in darkness
Will see a great light;
Those who live in a dark land,
The light will shine on them.
3You shall multiply the nation,
You shall increase their gladness;
They will be glad in Your presence
As with the gladness of harvest,
As men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
4For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders,
The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian.
5For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult,
And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire.
6For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore
The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish

Pasted from bible gateway

Manny

Originally posted by menace71
LOL I have to laugh at that 🙂 R.C. That is funny man I hate the dentist.....


Manny

yes it may be funny manny, the reason that Zapansy gave up was that he has no scriptural knowledge and in each and every case, superior knowledge of scripture totally undone his feeble attempts to establish and ascertain his own version of the matter. He is a 'Christian', with no concept of Christian teaching and a very scant biblical knowledge as well, and when what Christ taught comes into conflict with secularism, he's doomed, for he favours the latter over the former.

This thread is an excellent example, because of not advocating on behalf of a third party, in this case the biblical record, a battle of ego's ensues, naturally, for they are defending their own point of view and become emotionally involved, and you witnessed this between Zapansy and Fabian, with Karoly Poly sending love letters to his particular favourite. oh Zapanzy , 'your my hero', 'oh Fabian i much prefer your posts to Robbies', what a suck up! as for me i am really glad that i do not have to interact with the Zapansy, its just so much less hassle.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it may be funny manny, the reason that Zapansy gave up was that he has no scriptural knowledge and in each and every case, superior knowledge of scripture totally undone his feeble attempts to establish and ascertain his own version of the matter. He is a 'Christian', with no concept of Christian teaching and a very scant biblical knowledge as w ally glad that i do not have to interact with the Zapansy, its just so much less hassle.

Mr."suck up" here to put in my 2 bobs worth forward. G75 mentioned the numerous accounts of floods. I too have come across some of these accounts, however nothing that I've researched would indicate a global flood. Local floods, yes, but the whole of the world underwater? C'mon !
Propes Knob is also right up there as far as patience and a "fair go" goes. He has added much to this discussion, which you 2 clowns seem to have ignored or dismissed without really considering. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
And BTW reading 200+ posts gives me or anyone the right of reply,(IMO), so if I want to praise Z or F then who are you to detract from that? I'm trying to be positive while you are playing your religous politics. I was almost going to say "grow up", but then realized that I could use that advice myself.
At least I realize it😛

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Mr."suck up" here to put in my 2 bobs worth forward. G75 mentioned the numerous accounts of floods. I too have come across some of these accounts, however nothing that I've researched would indicate a global flood. Local floods, yes, but the whole of the world underwater? C'mon !
Propes Knob is also right up there as far as patience and a "fair go" g ...[text shortened]... up", but then realized that I could use that advice myself.
At least I realize it😛

I appreciate everyones comments and we all are here to learn I hope and express ourselves. With the exception of one, r**j, I feel most here have no bad motives and are being honest with there viewpoints. Sorry if I haven't shown respect to that...

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it may be funny manny, the reason that Zapansy gave up was that he has no scriptural knowledge and in each and every case, superior knowledge of scripture totally undone his feeble attempts to establish and ascertain his own version of the matter. He is a 'Christian', with no concept of Christian teaching and a very scant biblical knowledge as w ...[text shortened]... ally glad that i do not have to interact with the Zapansy, its just so much less hassle.

Rob, i'm still waiting for you to explain to me why my calculations are wrong.

You seem to have gone a little quiet on the matter!?

Originally posted by galveston75
I appreciate everyones comments and we all are here to learn I hope and express ourselves. With the exception of one, r**j, I feel most here have no bad motives and are being honest with there viewpoints. Sorry if I haven't shown respect to that...

I presume by your silence you have found no evidence to counter my claims that the ice caps and ice sheets on the Earth are over 5,00yrs old, and also why there is no evidence of any flood found in the ice cores?!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It appears that i've over estimated the size of the Ark Rob, the New International Version of the Bible gives the size as 450ft long, 75ft wide and 45ft high. Which gives a total space of -

43,019m3. Way less than my initial calculation of 57,000m3.

Now if we take just elephants Rob, and the four species of elephants. That means we have a minimum ...[text shortened]... of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.[/i]

One interesting scripture to consider is Gen 7:4 where God tells Noah that the flood will start in just 7 days. I would think that if it was more the the very basic species and not every kind of a certain species as with canines for example, Noah and his family would need much more then 7 days to get them all organized and loaded into the ark.
I used to live in Bend Oregon and down in their Old Mill district where logging was done many decades ago, there was an old building that was used as one of the lumber mills. The gentleman that built it also believed in the flood account in the Bible. He needed a very large building and had this one built to the exact specifications of the ark. It was huge and was actually much larger then I could ever think the ark would have been. It has since been torn down but it was an incredible sight to see.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I presume by your silence you have found no evidence to counter my claims that the ice caps and ice sheets on the Earth are over 5,00yrs old, and also why there is no evidence of any flood found in the ice cores?!

There is no evidence to show they are over 5K old. Man comes up with ways to test the age of things but it is very far from being accurate. And once the sun was now not being filtered by the huge canopy of water that was once overhead, that would greatly influance how old things would seem because of the affects of radiation now hitting the earth from the sun..

Originally posted by galveston75
One interesting scripture to consider is Gen 7:4 where God tells Noah that the flood will start in just 7 days. I would think that if it was more the the very basic species and not every kind of a certain species as with canines for example, Noah and his family would need much more then 7 days to get them all organized and loaded into the ark.
I used t ...[text shortened]... hink the ark would have been. It has since been torn down but it was an incredible sight to see.

What is the very basic species as you put it?

And how do you account for such diversity in the animal kingdom today if only a few species were saved?

You still haven't addressed my points about ice core samples!!!

Originally posted by galveston75
There is no evidence to show they are over 5K old. Man comes up with ways to test the age of things but it is very far from being accurate. And once the sun was now not being filtered by the huge canopy of water that was once overhead, that would greatly influance how old things would seem because of the affects of radiation now hitting the earth from the sun..

There is no evidence to show they are over 5K old

That's just complete and utter rubbish!!

If it's not, you show me the scientific evidence to prove otherwise then please.

As for the rest of your post, it doesn't make any sense (take note of the spelling please), it's just complete and utter gibberish.

Galvo, your fast disappearing into nonsense now.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]There is no evidence to show they are over 5K old

That's just complete and utter rubbish!!

If it's not, you show me the scientific evidence to prove otherwise then please.

As for the rest of your post, it doesn't make any sense (take note of the spelling please), it's just complete and utter gibberish.

Galvo, your fast disappearing into nonsense now.[/b]

Sorry if my spelling is off. I'm on pain meds for my back....So stop with the insults if you can.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What is the very basic species as you put it?

And how do you account for such diversity in the animal kingdom today if only a few species were saved?

You still haven't addressed my points about ice core samples!!!

God is how you account for the whole thing.......... I did not say only a few species survived. Read carefully. I said as an example with canines. All you have to have survive is one set as with 2 dogs. With the genes from them God could make others such as wolves exist. To hard to understand?