Spirituality
03 Dec 09
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by amannionlol, scepticism, a sign of the times in which we live! are you yourself a geologist? if so, i want to run something past you, if thats ok? as for the mammoths, i dont think that it can be dismissed so easily as calling into question the validity of the source, i think its quite well established, although i myself have no way on knowing, what could you do, go to Siberia and dig one up out of the perma frost and examine the contents of its stomach? there must be pictures somewhere.
My initial guess with regard to animals found in mysterious places, and with unusual foodstuffs in their guts, would be to question the reference itself. As a kid I was a great reader of Erik Von Daniken and some of his bizarre stuff about alien visitations and the Bermuda triangle and other such mysteries. I ate it up, only to discover later that it was fa ...[text shortened]... hat you mentioned, may have been brought into unusual places by human groups.
Just a thought.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by galveston75The same 'purpose' as any other people who write about past histories - to pass on their history to their descendents, to make sense of the events around them, to keep a record of their past.
What would be the purpose of the flood account in the Bible if it was just a myth?
But your question is as meaningful to me as asking what's the purpose of 'Hamlet' or 'Gulliver's Travels' or 'The Koran'. They're books that tell stories - either to entertain or to inform and educate.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI do remember a mammoth being dug up only a few years ago - can't recall the place though. I agree though, should be easy to check the validity of such stories - the problem is though, that when the stories are supporting a religious belief, it doesn't matter much whether they're disproved or not. People will continue to believe anyway.
lol, scepticism, a sign of the times in which we live! are you yourself a geologist? if so, i want to run something past you, if thats ok? as for the mammoths, i dont think that it can be dismissed so easily as calling into question the validity of the source, i think its quite well established, although i myself have no way on knowing, what could ...[text shortened]... t of the perma frost and examine the contents of its stomach? there must be pictures somewhere.
No, I'm not a geologist, just a lowly old science teacher. But I do spend a bit of time out and about in the Australian bush, which puts me in touch with the land somewhat.
06 Dec 09
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Originally posted by amanniona science teacher, well how cool is that! what department? physics, chemistry or biology? are there more now since i was at school? yes but religion without substantiation is blind faith, one surely should be able to substantiate ones beliefs? i play chess with a rather lovely aboriginal lady, Bindi, id love to visit Australia, so warm and sunny, and teams that win stuff.
I do remember a mammoth being dug up only a few years ago - can't recall the place though. I agree though, should be easy to check the validity of such stories - the problem is though, that when the stories are supporting a religious belief, it doesn't matter much whether they're disproved or not. People will continue to believe anyway.
No, I'm not a geo ...[text shortened]... of time out and about in the Australian bush, which puts me in touch with the land somewhat.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI was trained in Physics, but now I mostly teach general science at years 9 and 10 - that's 15 and 16 year olds. I work at a Catholic boys secondary school - and me, a died in the wool atheist!
a science teacher, well how cool is that! what department? physics, chemistry or biology? are there more now since i was at school? yes but religion without substantiation is blind faith, one surely should be able to substantiate ones beliefs? i play chess with a rather lovely aboriginal lady, Bindi, id love to visit Australia, so warm and sunny, and teams that win stuff.
Yes, we're into summer now and it sure is warming up. I laughed at the teams bit - what sports are you into?
I agree with you on blind faith and substantiating your faith. I can see how your arguments are a part of this substantiation. They're not at all convincing to me of course. I guess the problem is that when it comes to our personal worldviews, we don't use the evidence to support our faith. We go with our faith and then pick and choose the evidence that supports that.
I'm as guilty as the next guy on that count.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by galveston75To keep the power in the church, to fear an illusionary God, to f*** with our heads in general, to give up on science and send us back to the dark dark ages where the vampires that control our lives can continue on in their tyranny unabated. HHrrmph!
What would be the purpose of the flood account in the Bible if it was just a myth?
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by galveston75moses was shepherd and not a scientist?
What would be the purpose of the flood account in the Bible if it was just a myth?
god wanted to show the humans what happens if they are notty?
god wanted to show the humans that if you are righteous you will be saved?
god wanted to show the humans that it is ok to not be a part of the herd if the herd is wicked?
there are many uses for the noah's story. there are many uses for the harry potter story. none of them require it to be actually bloody true.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelThat's obtuse, and it is paranoid.
To keep the power in the church, to fear an illusionary God, to f*** with our heads in general, to give up on science and send us back to the dark dark ages where the vampires that control our lives can continue on in their tyranny unabated. HHrrmph!
It serves no purpose to make people fear. It is what despots do. Not men of faith.
You've bought into to the real myth.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRob, you appear to have gone off on a tangent.
i would not trust the NIV to stand upon if i was going to try to reach something high, its a terrible translation which is as inaccurate as it is cold and impersonal. the figures that i have are even slightly less than yours Noobster.
In size the ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. Conservatively calculating the cubit a ...[text shortened]... floors, the three decks thus provided gave a total of about 8,900 sq m (96,000 sq ft) of space.
You're providing evidence for something that no one is disputing. Everyone agrees that flood myths are found within many cultures around the world, so i don't quite see why you're providing evidence for them.
Regardless of how big the Ark is, i have shown that using the available evidence, ie. measurements of the Ark given in the Bible, number of animal species in the world, it's just inconceivable that all the animals and their food for 150 days could fit onto this boat.
You have yet to produce any evidence to show me how it could be done, except repeatedly telling me that i'm wrong.
Evidence please dear boy!!!! I would like to see evaluate the evidence with your own mind as you keep telling everyone that is what you do!!
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by josephwit worked throughout the middle ages for the christians. it worked for the jews most of the time throughout the OT. torquemada was a man of faith.
That's obtuse, and it is paranoid.
It serves no purpose to make people fear. It is what despots do. Not men of faith.
You've bought into to the real myth.
so the purpose is existent.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by galveston75It's a nice long post and i appreciate that, but it has no bearing on what we were talking about. I asked two specific questions.
This doesn't answer specificly your ice cap question but I'm still searching more.
The Breakdown of Earth's Heating System.
In the beginning, the now frozen regions of the poles flourished with vegetation and abounded with animals which geologists now find preserved in the ice. Who, then, could doubt that the water "above the ...[text shortened]... anges caused by the flood, their conclusions cannot be trusted.
1) Why is there no evidence of a global flood, ie. a layer of mud, within ice core samples?
2) If you believe that the ice caps, sheets and galciers were only formed 5,000yrs ago after this alleged global flood, show me some evidence to prove it.
06 Dec 09
Originally posted by josephwThink again. Maybe my terminology isn't accurate as regards yours. Maybe I dont use the same words as you,eg. maybe "vampire" to me means something different than you imagine. I'm not talking about movies.
That's obtuse, and it is paranoid.
It serves no purpose to make people fear. It is what despots do. Not men of faith.
You've bought into to the real myth.