Noah's Ark?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
your simple maths are clearly inadequate, for they deny the divine element!

You clearly can't refute it, and when in doubt.

Play the 'get out of jail free' God card.

Originally posted by josephw
Simple mathematics.

Consider the size of the Ark. It's been proven, years ago, that pairs of every kind of animal could easily fit into the Ark. Along with every kind of bug and micro organism know to man, and more besides.

[b]It's been proven, years ago[b]

Show me.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You clearly can't refute it, and when in doubt.

Play the 'get out of jail free' God card.

Lol, the get out of Jail free card, very funny, as for your calculations Noobster, they refute nothing, as i have stated, you have yours and we have ours, although i never even suspected that it was an issue, but understood as Joseph has, that the ark was large enough to take all kinds of life. your calculation is of course essentially flawed, for you do not know how much the elephants would have eaten, or even how many elephants would have been needed to produce the several different types that we see today, one pair, two pairs, thus its essentially flawed.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Lol, the get out of Jail free card, very funny, as for your calculations Noobster, they refute nothing, as i have stated, you have yours and we have ours, although i never even suspected that it was an issue, but understood as Joseph has, that the ark was large enough to take all kinds of life.

Prove it then.

You have stated the Ark had 8,900m3 of room.

Even if the Ark only took 200,000 animals, when you consider that there are 1.2million known species today it's a very small number, that's enough room for 22 animals per m3, or each animal has 4cm3 room each. And that doesn't even being to take into account all the food.

If you just take elephants alone, you'd need 168 tonnes of food to feed them for 150 days at sea.

There simply is not enough room.

The Bible is quite explicit that everything that wasn't on the Ark died, so where the Blue, Humpback and Sperm whales went we can only imagine?!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Lol, the get out of Jail free card, very funny, as for your calculations Noobster, they refute nothing, as i have stated, you have yours and we have ours, although i never even suspected that it was an issue, but understood as Joseph has, that the ark was large enough to take all kinds of life. your calculation is of course essentially flawed, for y ...[text shortened]... the several different types that we see today, one pair, two pairs, thus its essentially flawed.

Some of the Rabbinic traditions apparently said that the animals were subdued so that they did not eat as normal. The logistics though would be hard. Imagine all of the crap the animals would produce. Of course with divine intervention different story. The scientific mind however may have trouble with this.







Manny

Originally posted by menace71
Some of the Rabbinic traditions apparently said that the animals were subdued so that they did not eat as normal. The logistics though would be hard. Imagine all of the crap the animals would produce. Of course with divine intervention different story. The scientific mind however may have trouble with this.







Manny

The scientific mind however may have trouble with this

Any rational mind would have trouble with this.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Prove it then.

You have stated the Ark had 8,900m3 of room.

Even if the Ark only took 200,000 animals, when you consider that there are 1.2million known species today it's a very small number, that's enough room for 22 animals per m3, or each animal has 4cm3 room each. And that doesn't even being to take into account all the food.

If you just t wasn't on the Ark died, so where the Blue, Humpback and Sperm whales went we only imagine?!

i think you have inadvertently and unwittingly answered your own question Noobster, are you suggesting that humpbacked whales, sharks and sperm whales were on the ark? if not, then how are we to understand the biblical verse, that everything outside of the ark, died? it cannot possibly mean every single life form, can it? therefore there must be another explanation, unless of course you are suggesting that these animals were on the ark.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]It's been proven, years ago[b]

Show me.

Do I have to? I'm kinda busy ya know.

Just do the math for yourself so that you will know for sure.

Simply multiply the dimensions and see how many railroad cars you can fit inside.
You'll be amazed.

Look. You like to doubt, but you don't really want to know. I doubted once, but because I really wanted to know I did the leg work. You do it!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]The scientific mind however may have trouble with this

Any rational mind would have trouble with this.[/b]

apparently we are not allowed to include the divine element, its called cheating!

Originally posted by josephw
Do I have to? I'm kinda busy ya know.

Just do the math for yourself so that you will know for sure.

Simply multiply the dimensions and see how many railroad cars you can fit inside.
You'll be amazed.

Look. You like to doubt, but you don't really want to know. I doubted once, but because I really wanted to know I did the leg work. You do it!

Done it thanks, and it doesn't add up.

You claimed it had been proven years ago, all i'm asking is that you show me.

I don't think it's too much to ask.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i think you have inadvertently and unwittingly answered your own question Noobster, are you suggesting that humpbacked whales, sharks and sperm whales were on the ark? if not, then how are we to understand the biblical verse, that everything outside of the ark, died? it cannot possibly mean every single life form, can it? therefore there must be another explanation, unless of course you are suggesting that these animals were on the ark.

are you suggesting that humpbacked whales, sharks and sperm whales were on the ark

The Bible says all animals were on the Ark and any living creature that wasn't was killed by the flood. That seems to me that they should've been. Unless you know something i don't.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]are you suggesting that humpbacked whales, sharks and sperm whales were on the ark

The Bible says all animals were on the Ark and any living creature that wasn't was killed by the flood. That seems to me that they should've been. Unless you know something i don't.[/b]

well well, you are suggesting that they were on the ark, and i thought you never had a sense of humour! how could a whale be killed by a flood? there must be a different explanation for this verse dear Noob, let me check my sources to get you out of this pickle! actually the more i think of it, the more funny it becomes, how would Noah, get those animals onto the ark? would he whistle from the beach, and the whales would waddle on up! oh Noobster, it refers only to land animals!

(Genesis 7:21-24) 21 So all flesh that was moving upon the earth expired, among the flying creatures and among the domestic animals and among the wild beasts and among all the swarms that were swarming upon the earth, and all mankind. Everything in which the breath of the force of life was active in its nostrils, namely, all that were on the dry ground, died. Thus he wiped out every existing thing that was on the surface of the ground, from man to beast, to moving animal and to flying creature of the heavens, and they were wiped off the earth; and only Noah and those who were with him in the ark kept on surviving.  And the waters continued overwhelming the earth a hundred and fifty days.

satisfied?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
well well, you are suggesting that they were on the ark, and i thought you never had a sense of humour! how could a whale be killed by a flood? there must be a different explanation for this verse dear Noob, let me check my sources to get you out of this pickle!

let me check my sources to get you out of this pickle!

Me in a pickle??!! Are you winding me up??

You're the one trying to suggest two of every species, and in some cases seven, were put on a boat for 150 days with all their food, with a boat that is no where near big enough.

And you're suggesting I'M in a pickle.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]let me check my sources to get you out of this pickle!

Me in a pickle??!! Are you winding me up??

You're the one trying to suggest two of every species, and in some cases seven, were put on a boat for 150 days with all their food, with a boat that is no where near big enough.

And you're suggesting I'M in a pickle.[/b]

I've just started researching a book called: "Noah's Ark, a Feasibility Study." So far very interesting. You guys might check it out and see what we can come up with.

Originally posted by galveston75
I've just started researching a book called: "Noah's Ark, a Feasibility Study." So far very interesting. You guys might check it out and see what we can come up with.

It sounds like mathematics, logic, basic science, biology, and logic will be tossed aside. You should do very well in that case.