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Originally posted by galveston75
Adam was created in 4026 and died in the year 3096 at the age of 930 years. Noah was born 126 years after Adam's death in the year 2970 BCE. Noah was 600 years old when the deluge started which was the year 2370 BCE.
It's all in Genesis chapters 5,6 & 7.
excelent. now explain the egyptians

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Originally posted by twhitehead
Well you could always start with Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics

Essentially, mountains are formed when plates move towards each other, thus lifting up the land. It clearly makes sense that land that was formerly a sea bed could end up on top of a mountain.
i hope you won't say next that india smashed into china because that is crazy talk. i mean nowhere in the bible does it say it did. (wink wink)

EDIT. this post is sarcastic. (in case someone missed it)

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can we get to 400 posts?

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
excelent. now explain the egyptians
What about the Egyptians?

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Originally posted by galveston75
What about the Egyptians?
a so you don't like it when someone does it with you like you did with them polystrate weeds.

very well i am a very nice person. i will tell you what about the egyptians.

check this out: egyptians building the great pyramid-> flood: everyone dies-> egyptians building more stuff.

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
a so you don't like it when someone does it with you like you did with them polystrate weeds.

very well i am a very nice person. i will tell you what about the egyptians.

check this out: egyptians building the great pyramid-> flood: everyone dies-> egyptians building more stuff.
I just asked a simple question. I'm not a mind reader....

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Originally posted by galveston75
I just asked a simple question. I'm not a mind reader....
but you forgot to answer mine. and you forgot that you assumed i am a mind reader when you asked me that question.


anyway, thought it was clear

egyptians building the great pyramid-> flood: everyone dies-> egyptians building more stuff.

is that logical? how do the egyptians fit in the great flood story?

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Quoted from another source.

Was the ark big enough to hold the number of animals required?
The total available floor space on the ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.


Assuming an 18-inch cubit [45.72 centimeters], Noah's Ark would have had a cubic volume equal to 569 modern railroad stock cars.The total cubic volume would have been 1,518,000 cubic feet [462,686.4 cubic meters] --that would be equal to the capacity of 569 modern railroad stock cars.

Now comes the question, how many land dwelling air breathing animals would have had to be taken aboard the ark to survive the flood?

According to Ernest Mayr, America's leading taxonomist, there are over 1 million species of animals in the world.


God only provided the Ark for the protection of humans and land-dwelling, air-breathing creatures. A huge number of animals would not need to be taken aboard the Ark because they are water dwellers. Representatives would be expected to survive the catastrophe. With God's protection against extinction during the Deluge, survival would have been assured. (Scene from The World that Perished, a Christian motion picture about the Flood)However, the vast majority of these are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark. Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single-celled creatures.

In addition, some of the mammals are aquatic. For example, the whales, seals and porpoises. The amphibians need not all have been included, nor all the reptiles, such as sea turtles, and alligators. Moreover, a large number of the arthropods numbering 838,000 species, such as lobsters, shrimp, crabs and water fleas and barnacles are marine creatures. And the insect species among arthropoda are usually very small. Also, many of the 35,000 species of worms as well as many of the insects could have survived outside the Ark.

How many animals needed to be brought aboard?
Doctors Morris and Whitcomb in their classic book,The Genesis Flood state that no more than 35,000 individual animals needed to go on the ark. In his well documented book, Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, John Woodmorappe suggests that far fewer animals would have been transported upon the ark. By pointing out that the word “specie” is not equivalent to the “created kinds” of the Genesis account, Woodmorappe credibly demonstrates that as few as 2,000 animals may have been required on the ark. To pad this number for error, he continues his study by showing that the ark could easily accommodate 16,000 animals.)

But, let's be generous and add on a reasonable number to include extinct animals. Then add on some more to satisfy even the most skeptical. Let's assume 50,000 animals, far more animals than required, were on board the ark, and these need not have been the largest or even adult specimens.

Remember there are really only a few very large animals, such as the dinosaur or the elephant, and these could be represented by young ones. Assuming the average animal to be about the size of a sheep and using a railroad car for comparison, we note that the average double-deck stock car can accommodate 240 sheep. Thus, three trains hauling 69 cars each would have ample space to carry the 50,000 animals, filling only 37% of the ark. This would leave an additional 361 cars or enough to make 5 trains of 72 cars each to carry all of the food and baggage plus Noah's family of eight people. The Ark had plenty of space.

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Originally posted by josephw
Quoted from another source.

Was the ark big enough to hold the number of animals required?
The total available floor space on the ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.


Assuming an 18-inch cubit [45.72 centimeters], Noah's Ark would have had a cubic volume equal t ...[text shortened]... food and baggage plus Noah's family of eight people. [b]The Ark had plenty of space.
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Good post...

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Originally posted by josephw
Quoted from another source.

Was the ark big enough to hold the number of animals required?
The total available floor space on the ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.


Assuming an 18-inch cubit [45.72 centimeters], Noah's Ark would have had a cubic volume equal t ...[text shortened]... food and baggage plus Noah's family of eight people. [b]The Ark had plenty of space.
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yes a brilliant post, i hope Noobster doesn't choke on his porridge reading it!

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
but you forgot to answer mine. and you forgot that you assumed i am a mind reader when you asked me that question.


anyway, thought it was clear

egyptians building the great pyramid-> flood: everyone dies-> egyptians building more stuff.

is that logical? how do the egyptians fit in the great flood story?
According to the Bible the descents of the Grandson of Noah, Mizraim ( Mits-ra'yim ) were the Egyptians. The name Misr is still applied to Egypt today....
I looked at a couple other sites besides the one you gave me and some sites say the Egyptians go back up to 100,000 years. Impossible.
Can you show me hard evidence that some year was written on some Egyptian artifact to prove a date before the flood?

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes a brilliant post, i hope Noobster doesn't choke on his porridge reading it!
I'll keep plastering all over this thread til he does.

But in case I'm not around for a few days perhaps you would be so kind as to direct his attention to it?

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Originally posted by josephw
I'll keep plastering all over this thread til he does.

But in case I'm not around for a few days perhaps you would be so kind as to direct his attention to it?
oh, i dont think that he shall miss it, its one of his highlights of the week coming to the spirituality forum. Lets see how he reacts. 🙂

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Originally posted by josephw
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Was the ark big enough to hold the number of animals required?
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No.

The premises and numbers listed are flawed. They also do not take into account the devastation to plant life, and thus food, that would be required for the vast majority of animals then and today. They do not take into account the devastation to insects, and it would be impossible to account for 1) Having all insects on the ark, and 2) An insect extermination were there actually a flood that covered the earth.

The Noah's ark story is not literally true. Unlike the existence of God, it can be proved on a good many levels to never have happened. As I have said in another thread, that's not the point of the story anyway. Anyone who is getting bogged in whether it actually happened is missing something else entirely that the ancient Jews are spiritually saying.

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Originally posted by josephw
Quoted from another source.

Was the ark big enough to hold the number of animals required?
The total available floor space on the ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.


Assuming an 18-inch cubit [45.72 centimeters], Noah's Ark would have had a cubic volume equal t ...[text shortened]... food and baggage plus Noah's family of eight people. [b]The Ark had plenty of space.
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since you put so much stock in woodmorappe. there is a response posted by him at the end of this link.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodmorappe-review.html

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