Permanent Members of Christ's Royal Family

Originally posted by divegeester
But as you said previously and which I agreed with you on, is that the reality of FMF's situation now is not determined by what he believes now nor by what he believes now about what he believed then. It is what happened between him and the living god at that time that matters. Not what he believes about that experience now. A person cannot "unbelieve" t ...[text shortened]... ut of Gods family once they are in.

Sounds convoluted, but it's not if you read it carefully.

We must read different Bibles, because I do not agree with you.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I've always accepted you believed in Christ, as I told you even the
devil believes, believing is NOTHING by itself.

To be a Christian requires God, it requires Jesus, it requires the Holy
Spirit which you deny as real now. So if you deny it, then when you
claimed you "believed" it wasn't real, because you now deny it. If you
said I had a relationship ...[text shortened]... on to say there is nothing
left for you but fire. Which for your sake I hope isn't true.
Kelly

Do you say therefore that it is impossible for a christian to subsequently deny Christ?

Originally posted by KellyJay
We must read different Bibles, because I do not agree with you.
Kelly

Obviously we don't read different bibles so saying that is a bit childish. However, perhaps you can kindly demonstrate the parts of the bible which show me to be wrong?

Originally posted by divegeester
Do you say therefore that it is impossible for a christian to subsequently deny Christ?

Look, I believe we can stumble and fall and get back up!
I believe we can sin, repent, and start anew!
I do not believe I can accept Christ and go on my merry way as if
nothing happen, reject every thing He wants for me, call Him Lord than
disobey Him my whole life, denying Him before others, and still believe
He HAS TO forgive me.

You can read the scriptures, are there not warnings for us to avoid sin?
Are there not warnings about if we deny Christ before men?
We are warned for a reason!
There is no condemnation in Christ, we follow Him, we will walk with Him
as He leads. The Holy Spirit will lead us and teach us as we go, we are
not on our own in this life.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
Do you say therefore that it is impossible for a christian to subsequently deny Christ?

I'll put some effort into a post for you a little later when I have some
time, since you are asking for scripture.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
Do you say therefore that it is impossible for a christian to subsequently deny Christ?

Nope
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Nope
Kelly

Then what is your point to FMF? because that is exactly what he keeps telling you he has done.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'll put some effort into a post for you a little later when I have some
time, since you are asking for scripture.
Kelly

I shall look forward to reading it, thanks.

Originally posted by divegeester
Then what is your point to FMF? because that is exactly what he keeps telling you he has done.

No, what he is saying is that he denies Christ now.
You see him repenting?
What he says now is that he no longer accepts what he claimed was
true way back when. No he out and out denys it as true now.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
I shall look forward to reading it, thanks.

Sorry about the crack on reading different Bibles, bad form me.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Not that it's especially relevant to this thread, but ~ of course ~ from my point of view, 'releasing' myself from Christianity was not a "spiritual shipwreck" at all, quite the opposite.

from a Christian perspective you have suffered 'spiritual shipwreck', you are after all no longer a Christian. I understand that you feel differently which is also fine 🙂

Originally posted by KellyJay
I've always accepted you believed in Christ, as I told you even the
devil believes, believing is NOTHING by itself.

To be a Christian requires God, it requires Jesus, it requires the Holy
Spirit which you deny as real now. So if you deny it, then when you
claimed you "believed" it wasn't real, because you now deny it. If you
said I had a relationship ...[text shortened]... on to say there is nothing
left for you but fire. Which for your sake I hope isn't true.
Kelly

My beliefs changed. How many times do I have to say it? That I am no longer a Christian has no bearing on how real being a Christian was to me back when I was one. Can we now please return to what we were discussing on page 3?

Originally posted by FMF
My beliefs changed. How many times do I have to say it? That I am no longer a Christian has no bearing on how real being a Christian was to me back when I was one. Can we now please return to what we were discussing on page 3?

Anyone outside of Christ, the only one that matters here, will be cast
into fire. You find yourself there, you will die in your sins.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Anyone outside of Christ, the only one that matters here, will be cast
into fire. You find yourself there, you will die in your sins.
Kelly

It's your prerogative to tell yourself whatever you want for whatever reason you may have. So, the question from page 3? It is based on something one of your fellow Christians said to me (which is to be found in the OP).

Originally posted by FMF
It's your prerogative to tell yourself whatever you want for whatever reason you may have. So, the question from page 3? It is based on something one of your fellow Christians said to me (which is to be found in the OP).

I'm not going to sift through page 3 to find what your looking for.
Say it plainly.
Kelly