24 May 14
Originally posted by FMFThere is one or two verses which springs to mind, Romans 8:38,39
It's your prerogative to tell yourself whatever you want for whatever reason you may have. So, the question from page 3? It is based on something one of your fellow Christians said to me (which is to be found in the OP).
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Now its easy to see from a reading how it may be construed that once a person has become a Christian then its impossible to be separated, but for this to be true then we must ignore a plethora of other verses which state that many who were Christians have fallen away to the extent that its impossible to revive them. Logically therefore Paul is peaking of something other than an immutable Christian state, although what that is at present i cannot say without research.
24 May 14
Originally posted by KellyJayHere was the question: do you think that I ~ an ex-Christian and now an "unbeliever" [in Christian terms] ~ am now a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family and that I cannot lose my salvation on account of the fact that I used to believe in Christ at one point in my life? This is Christian doctrine according to Grampy Bobby and FreakyKBH.
I'm not going to sift through page 3 to find what your looking for.
Say it plainly.
Kelly
24 May 14
Originally posted by KellyJayYes I know that. I still don't see what you are driving at.
No, what he is saying is that he denies Christ now.
You see him repenting?
What he says now is that he no longer accepts what he claimed was
true way back when. No he out and out denys it as true now.
Kelly
24 May 14
Originally posted by FMFNo
Here was the question: do you think that I ~ an ex-Christian and now an "unbeliever" [in Christian terms] ~ am now a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family and that I cannot lose my salvation on account of the fact that I used to believe in Christ at one point in my life? This is Christian doctrine according to Grampy Bobby and FreakyKBH.
Kelly
25 May 14
Originally posted by FMFThere is no need to convince others that you are not a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family. What others believe about you isn't going to change the truth. Let it go.
Here was the question: do you think that I ~ an ex-Christian and now an "unbeliever" [in Christian terms] ~ am now a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family and that I cannot lose my salvation on account of the fact that I used to believe in Christ at one point in my life? This is Christian doctrine according to Grampy Bobby and FreakyKBH.
25 May 14
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat FMF is doing is demonstrating that its time for some of the Christians to let go of the ridiculous doctrines that they preach.
There is no need to convince others that you are not a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family. What others believe about you isn't going to change the truth. Let it go.
25 May 14
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Originally posted by RJHindsIt is Grampy Bobby's claim that I am, not mine. His claims have no effect on the reality in which I live or on my spiritual path.
There is no need to convince others that you are not a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family.
What's been interesting here is that you have some Christians who seem to be saying I can't 'un-become' a Christian ~ i.e. once a Christian, always a "permanent" Christian, and the "guarantee" of "salvation".
And then others [here and on other threads in the past] insisting that if one 'un-becomes' a Christian then one was never a Christian in the first place, forget "salvation", eternal burning torture is one's fate.
Grampy Bobby has tried to superimpose BOTH of these contradictory notions onto me this year. It's almost like a parody ~ like a self-styled 'preacher' blinded by his own pretentiousness.
And more to the point, it's like listening to people from completely different religions. And it's interesting that ~ despite their incoherence and conflicting ideologies ~ they all insist that God has revealed Himself to them.
25 May 14
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Originally posted by FMFIs this obsession of yours meant to embarrass Grampy Bobby until he publically confesses his sin and repents by admitting that YOU are NOT a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family?
It is Grampy Bobby's claim that I am, not mine. His claims have no effect on the reality in which I live or on my spiritual path.
What's been interesting here is that you have some Christians who seem to be saying I can't 'un-become' a Christian ~ i.e. once a Christian, always a "permanent" Christian, and the "guarantee" of "salvation".
And then others [ ...[text shortened]... incoherence and conflicting ideologies ~ they all insist that God has revealed Himself to them.
25 May 14
Originally posted by RJHindsNo. I am engaging all Christians here. I have been quite clear about it all along. I am trying to shed a bit of light on the "ridiculous doctrines" [as Rajk999 put it] ~ which to me sound like people making up and asserting whatever they feel like ~ by allowing them to address the supposed mechanics of "salvation" and the fate of "unbelievers" so that the deep contradictions are just plain to see.
Is this obsession of yours meant to embarrass Grampy Bobby until he publically confesses his sin and repents by admitting that YOU are NOT a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family?
25 May 14
Originally posted by FMF"And then others [here and on other threads in the past] insisting that if one 'un-becomes' a Christian then one was never a Christian in the first place, forget "salvation", eternal burning torture is one's fate."
It is Grampy Bobby's claim that I am, not mine. His claims have no effect on the reality in which I live or on my spiritual path.
What's been interesting here is that you have some Christians who seem to be saying I can't 'un-become' a Christian ~ i.e. once a Christian, always a "permanent" Christian, and the "guarantee" of "salvation".
And then others [ ...[text shortened]... incoherence and conflicting ideologies ~ they all insist that God has revealed Himself to them.
If you think this is what I was saying to you, your wrong.
My point was simply you seem to want it both ways.
Think of it like this, person A claims to have lived in Chicago years ago.
Then person A realized it was not Chicago but New York he lived in.
So now person A goes around saying I lived in New York my whole life,
but once I lived in Chicago even though I reject Chicago now.
You can claim to be Christain, but God is required for that not just your
mouthing the words. So denying that means there was never really a
time you could have been a Christain, by your current mind set, if God
is required you missed out on God during the whole time you were
making the claim of being a Christain. Which is a very huge shame since
God is the best part of being a Christain.
Kelly
25 May 14
Originally posted by FMFAs to what will happen to the unbeliever, like you, the following makes it clear:
No. I am engaging all Christians here. I have been quite clear about it all along. I am trying to shed a bit of light on the "ridiculous doctrines" [as Rajk999 put it] ~ which to me sound like people making up and asserting whatever they feel like ~ by allowing them to address the supposed mechanics of "salvation" and the fate of "unbelievers" so that the deep contradictions are just plain to see.
Revelation 21:8
New King James Version (NKJV)
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”