Permanent Members of Christ's Royal Family

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have had two different views that both cannot be true at the same
time!

Never have I once suggested that they were both "true at the same time".

This is a clumsy straw man.

Do you or do you not accept that someone's beliefs can change?

Originally posted by FMF
Huh? You kept saying over and over and over and over again that my old beliefs were "wrong" and in "error" and "not real" because later they changed. You seem to have a peculiar recollection of how you have been behaving on this thread.

They were true when you believed in them correct?
They became wrong and worthy of rejection when you rejected them.
So they cannot be "true" just because you believed them if they were
rejected by you. That means when you held them, you were wrong
according to you.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You believed what you believed in 1994, but you rejected it for whatever
reasons you have.

Presumably you believe that FMF-1994 was right about Jesus, yes? [bump]

Originally posted by FMF
Never have I once suggested that they were both "true at the same time".

This is a clumsy straw man.

Do you or do you not accept that someone's beliefs can change?

Yes, they can change. If they do that typically means that they changed
from had some fault.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
They were true when you believed in them correct?
They became wrong and worthy of rejection when you rejected them.
So they cannot be "true" just because you believed them if they were
rejected by you. That means when you held them, you were wrong
according to you.
Kelly

You believing in Jesus doesn't make what you believe about Him "true".

Originally posted by FMF
Presumably you believe that FMF-1994 was right about Jesus, yes? [bump]

Not according to you, unless you want me to think Jesus was real until you
said He wasn't.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
You believing in Jesus doesn't make what you believe about Him "true".

Jesus is real or false because He is real or false, it has nothing to do with
what I or do not believe.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Sure
Kelly

You said you would answer my three points ~ but you're just typing out the same assertions again. Please address the three points.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Jesus is real or false because He is real or false, it has nothing to do with
what I or do not believe.

When I was a Christian I thought "Jesus is real" just as you do now.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I agree at 1994 you believed what you did, but now you are telling me that
you didn't really have a relationship with Christ, so what you had was wrong
and false.

Presumably you believe that FMF-1994 was right about Jesus and that FMF-2014 is wrong. Can you respond to this please?

Originally posted by FMF
You said you would answer my three points ~ but you're just typing out the same assertions again. Please address the three points.

I answered you, truthfully. You seem to be thinking I'm trying to judge some
thing you said, I am not!

I believe you once believed.
I believe you changed your mind for some reason, which is your business.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Presumably you believe that FMF-1994 was right about Jesus and that FMF-2014 is wrong. Can you respond to this please?

I don't know what you believed about Jesus in 1994, I'm not clear why
you changed your mind. There are people here I disagree with on points
about Jesus and faith, but I am not over concern about them. I pointed out
to you that Jesus is all that matters to me, not some check list of points
I agree or disagree with.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Not according to you, unless you want me to think Jesus was real until you
said He wasn't.
Kelly

I asked you this: "Presumably you believe that FMF-1994 was right about Jesus, yes?"

It is not possible to answer this with a sentence that starts with "Not according to you..."

Would you have agreed with FMF-1994's beliefs in 1994 [assuming for the sake of argument that they were more or less the same as your beliefs now]?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't know what you believed about Jesus in 1994

Well I am telling you that my beliefs were more or less what your beliefs are now: salvation through a relationship with Jesus. So presumably you believe that FMF-1994 was more or less right about Jesus, right?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I pointed out to you that Jesus is all that matters to me, not some check list of points I agree or disagree with.

In terms of my Christian beliefs, yes, "Jesus was all that mattered to me". So, we would have been in agreement back then, yes?