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Originally posted by FMF
I asked you this: "Presumably you believe that FMF-1994 was right about Jesus, yes?"

It is not possible to answer this with a sentence that starts with "Not according to you..."

Would you have agreed with FMF-1994's beliefs in 1994 [assuming for the sake of argument that they were more or less the same as your beliefs now]?

Not according to you is the only answer I could or can use since it was
your stance that changed. You asked me if I agreed with your 1994 self,
and I said I didn't know what you believed in 1994, only you do.

When you flipped your stance from I believe in Jesus to I do not believe in
Jesus, that means that when you believed in Jesus, you were wrong to
according what you believe now.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Sure
Kelly

BUMP.

When I held my old beliefs I perceived myself to be "dealing with the truth" exactly as you perceive yourself to be "dealing with the truth" now.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I am telling you that my beliefs were more or less what your beliefs are now: salvation through a relationship with Jesus. So presumably you believe that FMF-1994 was more or less right about Jesus, right?

You don't know what my beliefs are about Christ as far as I know. If you
have a point to this for the sake of this discussion, say okay we may have
have agreed on some points. Just so you know, I don't care what you or
I believe about God, none of that matters. It only matters that you were
right with God through Jesus Christ.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
BUMP.

[b]When I held my old beliefs I perceived myself to be "dealing with the truth" exactly as you perceive yourself to be "dealing with the truth" now. [/b]

You don't know what my beliefs are, stop assuming.
You keep trying to compare your old beliefs to my current ones. You have
no idea.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Not according to you is the only answer I could or can use since it was
your stance that changed. You asked me if I agreed with your 1994 self,
and I said I didn't know what you believed in 1994, only you do.

My stance changed about 6 or so years after 1994.In 1994 I was a Christian more or less like you ~ not identical or anything like that ~ but I believed that salvation was possible through a relationship with Jesus. the fact that much later my beliefs changed does not prevent you from giving an unequivocal answer to the question: Would you have agreed with the beliefs of FMF-1994 assuming those beliefs were more or less what your beliefs are now?

Originally posted by FMF
In terms of my Christian beliefs, yes, "Jesus was all that mattered to me". So, we would have been in agreement back then, yes?

Well good, shame you never knew Jesus.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You don't know what my beliefs are, stop assuming. You keep trying to compare your old beliefs to my current ones. You have no idea.

I believed that salvation was only possible through a relationship with Jesus. Is this not what you believe?

Originally posted by FMF
My stance changed about 6 or so years after 1994.In 1994 I was a Christian more or less like you ~ not identical or anything like that ~ but I believed that salvation was possible through a relationship with Jesus. the fact that much later my beliefs changed does not prevent you from giving an unequivocal answer to the question: Would you have agreed with the beliefs of FMF-1994 assuming those beliefs were more or less what your beliefs are now?

We are typing to fast, I answered this in another post. I'll pause and let you
get out everything you want to say, said.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well good, shame you never knew Jesus.

But I did believe I "knew" Jesus, that is the point, more or less in the way you believe you "know Jesus" [whilst not claiming to have been a Christian who was identical to you].

Originally posted by FMF
I believed that salvation was only possible through a relationship with Jesus. Is this not what you believe?

Yes
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
But I did believe I "knew" Jesus, that is the point, more or less in the way you believe you "know Jesus" [whilst not claiming to have been a Christian who was identical to you].

You are the one denying that ever happen not me. I'm not the one telling all
that you no longer believed what you did, you are.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You don't know what my beliefs are about Christ as far as I know.

I have read hundreds of posts written by you on this forum. Are you saying your beliefs about Christ do not inform and pervade your writing here?

Originally posted by FMF
I believed that salvation was only possible through a relationship with Jesus. Is this not what you believe?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes
Kelly

Then we can say, for the sake of argument, that we more or less had the same belief about "salvation" and Jesus, albeit at different times in our lives.

Originally posted by FMF
But I did believe I "knew" Jesus, that is the point, more or less in the way you believe you "know Jesus" [whilst not claiming to have been a Christian who was identical to you].

You thought you did, but you deny it now. So no it is not the samething
I have. I cannot deny what Jesus has done for me, I cannot deny what
Jesus did for me, I cannot deny Him in my life. You could and did.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Then we can say, for the sake of argument, that we more or less had the same belief about "salvation" and Jesus, albeit at different times in our lives.

no
Kelly