Question to three posters

Originally posted by robbie carrobie

your text does not address the fact that you deliberately misrepresented what sonship was attempting to say and to use it as a pretext for further attacks on his stance.

Robbie, Thankyou for simple recognition of what is true.

You yourself have been caught many times uttering things that you cannot substantiate but believe, the idea that the book of Revelation was written for political purposes you could not substantiate with a single iota of compelling reason and yet here you are chastising other for behaving in the same manner? Ouch!

The topic was interesting. But to engage the originator of the topic would be a fruitless waste of time.

One of the unfortunate characteristics of a Forum like this is that to try to talk to some originators of threads with seemingly interesting content would be fruitless.

Some enemies of the word of God are -
' ... always learning and never able to come to the full knowledge of the truth" (See 2 Tim. 3:7)

Originally posted by sonship
The topic was interesting. But to engage the originator of the topic would be a fruitless waste of time.

You are the originator of this topic, sonship. This is a thread you started.

Originally posted by sonship
One of the unfortunate characteristics of a Forum like this is that to try to talk to some originators of threads with seemingly interesting content would be fruitless.

If you want to be less fruitless, sonship, you should consider taking your ministry to a blog of your own where you can sensor out all scrutiny and reactions you don't like, or to a web site where you can play 'Christian smack down' in a generally preaching-to-the choir environment.

Originally posted by FMF
If you want to be less fruitless, sonship, you should consider taking your ministry to a blog of your own where you can sensor out all scrutiny and reactions you don't like, or to a web site where you can play 'Christian smack down' in a generally preaching-to-the choir environment.

wot

Originally posted by FMF
You are the originator of this topic, sonship. This is a thread you started.

clarification:

"[T]he topic" (used by me) referred to another thread on the topic of the book of Revelation and "divination" which you started.

Originally posted by sonship
wot

I meant exactly what I said. And you know exactly what it means. Sometimes I think you enjoy all the pouting you do. This is not a Christian web site. You should be more able to cope with the fact that you are not going to be able to make unanswered soliloquies to people with the same superstitions as you. A blog of your own or a Christian web site might be what you need. And then you could talk to people with different beliefs here without casting yourself as some kind of self-anointed mystic or seer and without cranking out spammy, parrotted doctrine from your retail religion.

Originally posted by sonship
clarification:

[b]"[T]he topic" (used by me) referred to another thread on the topic of the book of [b] Revelation and "divination" which you started.[/b]

Yes your pusillanimous waffle on that thread about some dead guy who is not a member of this community, while there are Christians here on this forum using the Bible to predict 'the end times' specifically in their lifetimes, was "fruitless". It is true.

Originally posted by FMF
A blog of your own or a Christian web site might be what you need. And then you could talk to people with different beliefs here without casting yourself as

I meant exactly what I said. And you know exactly what it means.

Don't know what you are talking about.
I made one observation. When I used the phrase "the topic" I was not referring to this thread which I started. I was referring to the thread on Divination which you started.

And all this about " You know what I am talking about" eludes me, unless there is something else in this post that explains.

I meant exactly what I said. And you know exactly what it means.

?

Sometimes I think you enjoy all the pouting you do.

Good. That and a buck seventy five will get me a cup of coffee at Seven-Eleven Convenience store..

This is not a Christian web site.

This is not an anti-Christian website.

You should be more able to cope with the fact that you are not going to be able to make unanswered soliloquies to people with the same superstitions as you.

I like lots of reasonable challenges. I give many people a benefit of a doubt that they have some difficulties which they might be able to be helped with.

it would be unrealistic of me to think everyone shares that attitude. But some do. I did. I got helped by Christians who could explain some difficulties to me. Others can be helped also.

That some people will not be helped, like you for example, goes with the territory.
Some people will only be helped to reinforce their skepticism of the Bible.

I get that.
I understand that and accept that.

Not a huge deal. And neither is your exaggerated description of my "pouting" a big deal.

This is a Spirituality Forum. And while a dedicated blog may have its advantages, no RULE (yet) says someone like me HAS to restrict my prose to that medium.

So I have to put up with you.
And you have to put up with me.

No, FMF, I am not going to shrink off to my private prayer closet and write so you don't have to see. I write here and you still have the freedom to screw up everything you don't like written with your comments.

No FMF, I am not going to retreat from the public square.

A blog of your own or a Christian web site might be what you need.

Thanks for the advice. But I may do both.

Show me the RULE that says discussing Spirituality CANNOT involve gaining followers. That is a rule of your own imagination.

And you can bitch about recruiting and bitch about proselytizing and bitch about preaching and bitch about bible thumping and bitch about soap boxes and bitch about sermons and bitch about whatever I do you want to bitch about.

I'm here in the public square. And I seek those who will consider Jesus Christ in their quest for genuine authentic Spirituality.

And you're free to heckle at my efforts.
No, I am not going to shrink away to rooms with pretty stain glass windows and only talk to the choir. And no, I am not going to confine my explanations to my private prayer closet.

some kind of self-anointed mystic or seer and without cranking out spammy, parrotted doctrine from your retail religion.

spam, parroting, retail religion ... whatever.
I am here in the public square.
And if I pout about some stupid post you made, I can't stop you from writing more stupid posts.

I just recognize that we are wasting each other's time.
Hey, that's the Internet.

You could go to the webmaster and try to get me kicked off.

Originally posted by sonship

your text does not address the fact that you deliberately misrepresented what sonship was attempting to say and to use it as a pretext for further attacks on his stance.

Robbie, Thankyou for simple recognition of what is true.

[quote]
You yourself have been caught many times uttering things that you cannot substantiate but believe, ...[text shortened]... lways learning and never able to come to the full knowledge of the truth" (See 2 Tim. 3:7) [/b]

I agree that it can be an act of futility, a 'striving after the wind', as the ancient Solomon put it. 🙂

Originally posted by sonship

A blog of your own or a Christian web site might be what you need.

Thanks for the advice. But I may do both.

Show me the RULE that says discussing [b]Spirituality CANNOT involve gaining followers. That is a rule of your own imagination.

And you can bitch about recruiting and bitch about proselytizing and bitch about ...[text shortened]... e.
Hey, that's the Internet.

You could go to the webmaster and try to get me kicked off.[/b]

FMF should perhaps have a look at how his own content relates to our spiritual understanding prior to criticising the efforts and contributions of others.

Originally posted by FMF

Yes your pusillanimous waffle on that thread about some dead guy who is not a member of this community, while there are Christians here on this forum using the Bible to predict 'the end times' specifically in their lifetimes, was "fruitless". It is true.

"Pusillanimous" "Sanctimonous" "waffle" "grovel" "pontificate" "suffocate" "retail" "you fail"

Yea, yea. Why don't you make it rhyme?

Originally posted by sonship

"Pusillanimous" "Sanctimonous" "waffle" "grovel" "pontificate" "suffocate" "retail" "you fail"

Yea, yea. Why don't you make it rhyme?

I'll give it a shot:

'There once was a chap pusillanimous,
his grovelling waffle sanctimonious,
he lived to pontificate
and religiously suffocate
yet his views on hell were erroneous.'

🙂

Originally posted by sonship
You could go to the webmaster and try to get me kicked off.

You are missing the point, sonship. Deliberately so, I suspect. Why would I want to get you kicked off the site? I have suggested nothing of the sort.

My advice is that, if you want to hack up endless rote-learned technobabble about your torturer god, why don't you find an environment where you can do so unimpeded and where you can delete unwanted responses to your grotesque philosophy, or an environment where other fanatical torturer god proponents will lap up your monologues or applaud your ostentatious self-declared holiness?

Then, here, on what is not a dedicated Christian web site, where you are among people of different beliefs and backgrounds, you could offer some kind of reason to emulate your mind map, be some kind of ambassador for the practical application of your religion, talk about real lives, real people, real stuff ~ rather than disgorging lifeless dirges about doctrine, mythology, dogma, condemnations, dark misanthropy and attempted psychological threats.

It's a recommendation, sonship. No one is going to report you to the 'webmaster' for being the self-important self-appointed 'holier-than-thou' ideologue that you are. The recommendation is that you take that particular aspect of you vainly getting-your-intellectual-emotional-rocks-off to a different kind of venue, and use this place instead to be a better more thought-provoking example of what a Christian can be - someone admirable, enviable, impressive, joyful, empowered ~ less brittle, less sulky, less self-obsessed. You must know the kind of Christians I'm talking about. I certainly do.

You come across like a hard line Trotskyite who's never once set foot outside the confines of the university campus, never done a day's work, never travelled abroad, never talked to a working person, never been able to talk properly to non-Trotskyites, never stood for office etc. etc. and yet claims to know the workings of the human condition based on some texts he's been poring over. And yet I know your life has not been like that.

My recommendation is not about you withdrawing from the public square at all, as you know full well, sonship. It's about what you are doing in it/with it.

In all your time in this one - this public square - how many non-believers do you think you have convinced that they are going to one day be kept alive in an incinerator for eternity as a punishment for having different beliefs from you? What are you using this public square for? Think about it.