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Those who partake in the divine nature have escaped the corruption of the world. Peter also advises them to add to their faith..
Add virtue
Add knowledge
Add temperance
Add patience
Add godliness
Add brotherly love
Add charity.
But sonship wants to be God.
Of course quoting verse 4 is not arguing that no other verses exist in the epistle.
And I do not want to be God in the sense that you slanderously hold.
But I recognize that divine nature is something bequethed to us in the new
covenant.
I am willing by His mercy to deny myself (my fallen Adamic corrupted self life) and find my true self in Christ as a son of God.
Actually God is able to do superabindantly above all that we ask or think.
Whatever I would desire is too low for God. For what He has prepared for the
saved include things not seen or heard or even having entered into man's heart.
What I desire is quite low. What His eternal purpose is quite high.
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So what are some of the "exceedingly great and precious promises?"
I'll list four in this post.
Promise #1 - as Jesus lived by the Father we might live by Jesus.
"As the living Father has sent Me and I love because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also shall live because of Me." (John 6:57)
Promise #2 - The Holy Spirit might flow as living water from our innermost being.
"He who believes into Me, as the Scripture said, out of his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water. But this He said concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed into Him were about to receive; for the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified." (John 7:38,39)
Promise #3 - Men be given eternal life and no one be able to snatch them out of the hand of the Son and the Father.
"And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father who gave them to Me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father's hand." (John 10:28,29)
Promise # 4 - Because Jesus lives in resurrection men can live through Him in a new life and He can live with His Father through men.
"Yet a little while and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me; because I live you also shall live. In that day you will know that I am in My Father and you in Me, and I in you." (John 14:19,20)
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@sonship saidOf course you are. You're actively trying to flog the NT soaked in your cultist snake oil.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Please identify one Christian (or indeed one poster) who has shown any indication they buy in to your deification theory?
I'm not selling anything.
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@sonship saidNo it doesn't.
The phrase partakers of the divine nature strongly indicates God.
Last evening I was the partaker in a wonderful casserole. It didn't turn me into a dumpling.
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@sonship saidNo, you have misunderstood them. It's not the same thing.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Please identify one Christian (or indeed one poster) who has shown any indication they buy in to your deification theory?
The Apostle Peter.
The Apostle John.
The Apostle Paul.
Rather I am agreeing with THEM.
Being a partaker in God's nature is not the same as being a partaker in God's being. Deep down, I think you know that.
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@fmf saidExcellent!
@sonship said
What does it mean " . . . that you may be filled unto all the fullness of God" (Eph. 3:19b) ?
FMF: Being devout? Does it refer to piety? Worshipping God with all one's heart? Earnest obedience? A full understanding or appreciation for God's creation? Sincere and deeply-seated belief?
@sonship said
[b]What is that about? "But we have t ...[text shortened]... these last few pages have sounded more Christian than the deification stuff you have been peddling.
And of course completely blanked by sonship.
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@fmf saidSame with KellyJay and especially Galveston75 (who’s sloped off again) with the scriptures I posted about predestination.
@sonship
"I don't see a lot of answers to my many questions which flat out deny or denounce deification (when properly understood and appreciated)".
So how does this work?
The unconventional ideology-theology of your cult regarding the extra-Biblical concept of "deification" is "true" until someone finds a Bible verse that explicitly "denounces" it?
Is that rea ...[text shortened]... ntellectual parlour game you playing here?
And you wonder why some people see you as a charlatan?
@sonship saidVerse 4 does not exist by itself and the idea of divine nature is explained in subsequent verses which you leave out. People who have the following qualities participate in the divine nature
Of course quoting verse 4 is not arguing that no other verses exist entered into man's heart.
What I desire is quite low. What His eternal purpose is quite high.
They have escaped the corruption of the world. They have faith.. They have virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly love, charity. And the greatest of these is charity.
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Being a partaker in God's nature is not the same as being a partaker in God's being. Deep down, I think you know that.
Rather there is no way out of realizing that to being "partaker of the divine nature" has to do with partaking of God Himself.
Rather there is no way around realizing to being "partakers of the divine nature" is what will eventually cause the city New Jerusalem to match Jesus Christ the God-man to be His bride (for a "day" ) and His wife for eternity.
Something of God's being has to be dispensened into His people.
Man is "God-ized" and God is "We-ized".
It doesn't mean that we performed the work of eternal redemption.
Only Christ the Head of His Body did that.
@sonship saidWas the idea of "divine nature" really explained in subsequent verses [after verse 4], as Rajk999 pointed out? Did you omit them deliberately because they didn't suit the ideology you are propagating?
Of course quoting verse 4 is not arguing that no other verses exist in the epistle.
@sonship saidPerhaps you haven't "properly understood" the alternative interpretations you asked for and were given.
Rather there is no way out of realizing that to being "partaker of the divine nature" has to do with partaking of God Himself.
"There is no way out of realizing that..." you are right?
Gosh. Is that really what you are asserting?
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For you who take the Bible seriously, ( I don't consider any atheist to do so), another question for you today:
Why didn't Jesus in incarnation become "the Firstborn among many brothers?"
Why did He have to wait until He was resurrected to be calle "the Firstborn among many brothers?"
In other words when "the Word became flesh" (John 1:14) and incarnated as God becomming a man for thirty three and a half years BEFORE His death and resurrection - WHY could He not be called during those days "the Firstborn among many brothers?"
He certainly was like us then, except for being sinless.