Questions for Deification Deniers

@KingDavid403

I am not trying to justify Son, or this thread. I have stated that I think he is wrong here.

@KingDavid403

I see nothing in the Book of Hebrews, or anywhere in the Bible, that says, certain followers of Christ should be worshiped by others.

@sonship said
@KingDavid403

I see nothing in the Book of Hebrews, or anywhere in the Bible, that says, certain followers of Christ should be worshiped by others.

In your next post could you quote me where I wrote such a thing.
And if you cannot find it would you correct the wrong impression that I taught this?

@kingdavid403 said
Well, I've seen this belief several times in others before.
I use to have a friend who thought his wife and daughter should call him Lord; all because Sarah called Abraham Lord in Scriptures; and because he was a man and they were not. Guess what, he does not have a wife anymore and his daughter will not have a thing to do with him.
I am not trying to justify Son, o ...[text shortened]... s a learning lesson. A suggestion.
You could pray for him also. That's what Jesus tells us to do.

@kingdavid403 said
In your next post could you quote me where I wrote such a thing.
In the title of your, this thread. That's what "Deification" means. It's clear that most everyone else here thinks the same as I was thinking, and guessing, also.
I asked you to please clarify yourself and you skipped over it. Maybe it is you that does not understand what "Deificati ...[text shortened]... tionary/deification].

I certainly did not mean to hurt or offend you in anyway. I was inquiring.

@KingDavid403

In the title of your, this thread. That's what "Deification" means. It's clear that most everyone else here thinks the same as I was thinking, and guessing, also.
I asked you to please clarify yourself and you skipped over it. Maybe it is you that does not understand what "Deification . . .

Let me preface my comments with what I have written here for many years over again up front.

Those saved by Christ will share only the communicable attributes of God and not the noncummunincable attributes of God.
We will never be an object of worship.
We will never be Creators of universes.
We will never be omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent.
We will never be having always been in eternity past.
We will never have the position as the Head of the Body of Christ.
We will never have the Fatherhood as the Source of eternal life.

There are probably other attributes.
We will never be the Godhead.

"Moreover, all those who believe in Him have also become God-men. John 1:12-13 says, “As many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name, who were begotten...of God.” Those who were begotten of man are men. Hence, those who were begotten of God are gods. But this does not mean that we who are begotten of God share in His Godhead. We do not have God’s person, and we cannot be worshipped as God.
However, as far as our life goes, we are the same as God is. God has regenerated us and has given His life to us. This is like being begotten of our father; we share the same life as our father. He is a man. As those begotten of him, we are also men. However, we do not have the position of the father. From this point of view, we are the same as the God who has regenerated us, and He and we are both God-men."

From A Deeper Study of the Divine Dispensing by Witness Lee

To read more - https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?n

Do you or do you not understand the words written above? [my bolding]

" But this does not mean that we who are begotten of God share in His Godhead. We do not have God’s person, and we cannot be worshipped as God. "

" God has regenerated us and has given His life to us. This is like being begotten of our father; we share the same life as our father. "

" As those begotten of him, we are also men. However, we do not have the position of the father. From this point of view, we are the same as the God who has regenerated us, and He and we are both God-men."

Do you understand these words?

@rajk999 said
Are you equating a man wanting his wife to call him Lord [as Sarah did], with what sonship is doing here? I have been telling sonship for 10 years that he is Satan, and many said I should not say that. Maybe I can discern and see stuff some cannot.

Oh ... wrong ... I dont pray for Satan and his followers. I can tell who they are.

KingDavid403,

Did you see this post in this discussion from me?
I add some bolding this time.

Quotations from Affirmation and Critique magazine published by Living Stream Ministry. Vol XV No. 2 Fall of 2010.

Article by Ron Kangus entitled New Jerusalem - the Consummation of the Divine Economy according to the High Peak of the Divine Revelaton

Selected quotes copied by hand carefully -

"This means that the New Jerusalem, as the ultimate and eternal corporate expression of the Triune God, is the consummation of God becomming a man and man becoming God in life, in nature, and in expression but not in the Godhead. "
- pg 23.

"The high peak of the divine revelation in the Holy Scriptures is that God became man so that, in Christ, redeemed man may become God in life, nature, constitution, and expression but not in the Godhead nor as an object of worship"
- pg. 23

"This corporate expression is the consummation of the divine economy, the goal of God's plan and arrangement to dispense Himself in Christ as the Spirit into our being to be our life, our life supply, and out everything so that we may expressed Him. This, in and with the New Jerusalem ther high peak of the divine revelation . . . "
- pg. 23,24

" If we consider certain crucial and intrinsic aspects of the New Jerusalem as the corporate, yet personal, expression of the Triune God , we may be confirmed in the realization that the existence of the New Jerusalem is predicated upon God becoming man and man becoming God in life and nature but not in the Godhead."
- pg. 24

KingDavid403,

Here is another important post you may have not read.

@divegeester
Surely you know that with a little further googling one can arrive at definitions CLOSER to the usage of a word.

For example: (not necessarily endoring all things below). Its closer to this discussion:

https://www.gotquestions.org/deification.html
What is deification in the Eastern Orthodox Church?

Deification or theosis, according to Eastern Orthodoxy, is a process by which one becomes “one with God,” and this is seen as the goal of the Christian life. This unity with God is a mystical concept that is often misunderstood by Western thinkers. The Eastern Orthodox Church is staunchly Trinitarian, and the term deification should not be misunderstood to imply that a human being can actually become God or a god, nor does this amount to pantheism. It is said that man cannot become one with God in His essence, but he can become one with His energies. Love, for instance, is a divine energy, and it is possible for the believer to be fully united and overcome by God’s love.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis_(Eastern_Christian_theology)
Deification
Further information: Divinization (Christian)

Athanasius of Alexandria wrote, "He was incarnate that we might be made god" (Αὐτὸς γὰρ ἐνηνθρώπησεν, ἵνα ἡμεῖς θεοποιηθῶμεν ). [4] What would otherwise seem absurd—that fallen, sinful man may become holy as God is holy—has been made possible through Jesus Christ, who is God incarnate. Naturally, the crucial Christian assertion, that God is One, sets an absolute limit on the meaning of theosis: even as it is not possible for any created being to become God ontologically, or even a necessary part of God (of the three existences of God called hypostases), so a created being cannot become Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit nor the Father of the Trinity.[5]

Most specifically creatures, i.e. created beings, cannot become God in His transcendent essence, or ousia, hyper-being (see apophaticism). Such a concept would be the henosis, or absorption and fusion into God of Greek pagan philosophy. However, every being and reality itself is considered as composed of the immanent energy, or energeia, of God. As energy is the actuality of God, i.e. his immanence, from God's being, it is also the energeia or activity of God. Thus the doctrine avoids pantheism while partially accepting Neoplatonism's terms and general concepts, but not its substance (see Plotinus).[5]

KIngDavid403,

There are nine sentences in this post I wrote.
Is there any sentence in which you do not understand my writing?

Those saved by Christ will share only the communicable attributes of God and not the noncummunincable attributes of God.
We will never be an object of worship.
We will never be Creators of universes.
We will never be omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent.
We will never be having always been in eternity past.
We will never have the position as the Head of the Body of Christ.
We will never have the Fatherhood as the Source of eternal life.

There are probably other attributes.
We will never be the Godhead.

KingDavid403 is being implored to head towards sonship's sticky spider's web.

@kingdavid403 said
My intent was to become a Pastor or teacher of God's Word. I have filled in and preached a couple sermons; and, I have led some Bible study groups.. Other than that, I became disgusted with most churches and denominations; and, then there was Trump, who Ironically, most supposed Christians felt he was sent by God and should be worshiped also. Go figure...
I will sa ...[text shortened]... University. Let's just say, they did not care for me much. I will speak what I think is the truth.

@sonship said
KIngDavid403,

There are nine sentences in this post I wrote.
Is there any sentence in which you do not understand my writing?

Those saved by Christ will share only the communicable attributes of God and not the noncummunincable attributes of God.
We will never be an object of worship.
We will never be Creators of universes.
We will never be omniscie ...[text shortened]... rce of eternal life.

There are probably other attributes.
We will never be the Godhead.

@sonship

‘In the pride of your heart
you say, “I am a god;
I sit on the throne of a god
in the heart of the seas.”
But you are a mere mortal and not a god,
though you think you are as wise as a god.'

Ezekiel 28:2

@kingdavid403 said
Are you equating a man wanting his wife to call him Lord [as Sarah did], with what sonship is doing here?
The man I was talking about basically though he should be worshiped. There was much more that he did also. He definitely thought he was God's only right hand man; and no one else. Anyone demanding to be called Lord by others, is way off the path to me.