05 Dec 05
Originally posted by DarfiusOddly enough, when I say "media REPORTS" (notice the "s"😉 I am referring to more than just the bbc story. Those of us who knew and admired Hunter Thompson and his work checked multiple news stories and that was the rumor. The idea that Hunter Thompson wanted to die is bizarre; no one lived larger.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4282865.stm
Media report from the thread in question said nothing about cancer. It did say something about drugs and him killing himself, though.
Given that, it's different because he WANTED to die, while the WTC victims did not.
It's a pretty simple concept for people who aren't fundy atheists.
Try addressing the point: you claimed all suicides are damned; the WTC jumpers choose to die rather than suffer further. How is that different from ALL suicides?
Not everybody who disagrees with your twisted views on religious issues is an atheist; I am not.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by DarfiusIn a thread where people were discussing the loss of a man who was widely admired for his writings, your gratuitous posts condemning him to Hell were offensive and uncalled for. If we had been in person rather than on an internet chess site forum, I would have given you a knuckle sandwich for your callous remarks. Tell me, do you show up at the funerals of suicides and tell the family members that their loved one is going to Hell?
As I recall, I had been getting a lot of crap from all around because the Spirituality forum hadn't been created yet and as the post before me by Hecate shows, he was certainly patronizing.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by WeadleyNo, it wouldn't and even if it did, you wouldn't be choosing the exact time of your death. Again, since everyone dies eventually, the moral problem with suicide according to the Christians must be that the person decides when to forego the gift of life. Since that is not his to give in Christian theology, suicide is wrongful.
Voluntarily staying on the ledge would also result in doing something that you knew lead to death..
You are soo funny sometimes No1.
Im almost sorry I got you banned this last time.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by windmillOn what basis are you deciding "it would be wrong"?
Sometimes life leaves people with a lack of options.Good point.
If you were to commit a sin then died without repenting then would you go to hell?After thought i don't think suicide is an automatic sentencing to Hell.It would be wrong.Simple!
05 Dec 05
the marauder is hilarious. i'm glad i stopped by to see the ridiculousness continue...
congratulations on showing that you truly have no limits, marauder. even the dying who are stuck between a rock and a hard place will have no compassion or sympathy from the marauder. not even these victims are left alone. no one is safe from him. u really go to unimaginable lengths to make an a$$ out of yourself.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by no1marauderI think the gun to his head was indicative of him wanting to die.
Oddly enough, when I say "media REPORTS" (notice the "s"😉 I am referring to more than just the bbc story. Those of us who knew and admired Hunter Thompson and his work checked multiple news stories and that was the rumor. The idea that Hunter Thompson wanted to die is bizarre; no one lived larger.
Try addressing the point: you claimed all su ...[text shortened]... Not everybody who disagrees with your twisted views on religious issues is an atheist; I am not.
Those in the WTC did not want to die. It was foisted upon them by terrorists. I will repeat this until you concede or give up, like you do.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by lioyankOutside of showing you're an idiot (which we don't need any more evidence of), your post doesn't make any sense. I asked a theological question addressed to people who believe, unlike I do, that committing suicide gets you eternally damned. How do you go from that to your conclusion that I have no "sympathy or compassion"?
the marauder is hilarious. i'm glad i stopped by to see the ridiculousness continue...
congratulations on showing that you truly have no limits, marauder. even the dying who are stuck between a rock and a hard place will have no compassion or sympathy from the marauder. not even these victims are left alone. no one is safe from him. u really go to unimaginable lengths to make an a$$ out of yourself.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by DarfiusThe jump off the ledge was indicative of them wanting to die at that moment just as much as a gun to the head, if not more so since you're far more likely to survive a gunshot to the head than a fall from the 90th story.
I think the gun to his head was indicative of him wanting to die.
Those in the WTC did not want to die. It was foisted upon them by terrorists. I will repeat this until you concede or give up, like you do.
What was "foisted" upon them was irrelevant; they made a decision to end their lives rather than "trusting God to help them through anything" in your words. Thus, by your logic, they earned a "one way ticket to Hell". You can either change your mind about your posts in February or you can be logically inconsistent. Your choice.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by no1marauderThose in the WTC did not want to die. It was foisted upon them by terrorists. I will repeat this until you concede or give up, like you do.
The jump off the ledge was indicative of them wanting to die at that moment just as much as a gun to the head, if not more so since you're far more likely to survive a gunshot to the head than a fall from the 90th story.
What was "foisted" upon them was irrelevant; they made a decision to end their lives rather than "trusting God to help th ...[text shortened]... change your mind about your posts in February or you can be logically inconsistent. Your choice.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by no1maraudermarauder: "There's nothing more to it than that."
Ivanhoe, you started to bring up personal attacks against me rather than staying on the points. Your characterizations of me "accusing people" of things like committing suicide are laughable. Please try to actually discuss the issues presented rather than delve into your amateur psychoanalysis of me. I remembered what Darfius said about suicide as I wa ...[text shortened]... he program the question in the first post occurred to me. There's nothing more to it than that.
Then I suggest you start acting accordingly.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by DarfiusIs that the debating technique you learned on your "Christian" websites?
Those in the WTC did not want to die. It was foisted upon them by terrorists. I will repeat this until you concede or give up, like you do.
Darfius: Committing suicide is a one way ticket to hell. It shows a complete and utter lack of belief that God can help you through anything. In other words, even if he had faith, he lost it at that last moment.
Didn't the people on the ledges at the WTC lose faith "at that last moment?"
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by no1marauderThose in the WTC did not want to die. It was foisted upon them by terrorists. I will repeat this until you concede or give up, like you do.
Is that the debating technique you learned on your "Christian" websites?
Darfius: Committing suicide is a one way ticket to hell. It shows a complete and utter lack of belief that God can help you through anything. In other words, even if he had faith, he lost it at that last moment.
Didn't the people on the ledges at the WTC lose faith "at that last moment?"