The book of Acts

Originally posted by galveston75
Well...ok.

I had a meeting to go to. That's all.

Originally posted by jaywill
I had a meeting to go to. That's all.

No problem.. glad your back.

Originally posted by galveston75
Indeed Paul says to all recipients of his letter to Timothy:

"If we endure, we will also reign with Him;" (2 Timothy 2:12)

If you take that to mean ONLY Paul and Timothy I think you are completely being foolish. It is the word of God to all believers in the New Testament economy.

You have no idea at all how many will be reigning with Christ i hat deserve it? Does not Revelation the 21st chapter make that clear about the earth?

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Why do you think I'm rejecting that all mankind will not reap the benifits of Jesus words? Did I ever say that? Of course not just two people will.
Would not Jesus and his fellow Kings and Judges eventually destroying the wicked ones off the earth not be a good thing that Jesus promised?
How can you say JW's say not all of mankind will not have those blessings that deserve it? Does not Revelation the 21st chapter make that clear about the earth?
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If I understand your concept correctly, you are saying that a whole lot of things in the New Testament are only meant for some "Little Flock".

For example, the promise to reign with Christ is only to some "Little Flock" of 144,000.

If I point out to you Paul's general word that "If we endure we shall also reign with Him" I suspect you will relegate that all-incompassing promise to no one NOT a part of the 144,000.

The 144,000 Firstfuits will be those living at the time of the Lord's Pariousia who will be raptured before the Great Trubulation. There is no reason to think only they are co-kings with Christ.

In fact there is no word about co-kings in chapter 14 at all. That is something you are reading into the chapter to make Watchtower theology round out.

Mr. Russell cannot dictate to Jehovah just how many He must bless with the responsibility to reign as co-kings with Christ. Niether you, or Russell, or Watchtower teachers, or me for that matter, know how many co-kings Christ will have. And though we may be assured that some martyrs of chapter 20 reign with Him, we cannot insist those reigning are only from that group either.

The parable to His servants about faithfulness was that some would be rewarded to reign over 10 cities or 5 citites, etc (Luke 19:11-27).

In the conclusion of that parable the Lord Jesus said "I tell you that to EVERYONE who has, more shall be given, but from him who does not have, even that which he has shall be taken away." (v.26)

The word "EVERYONE" should be understood as the parable applying to ALL of the disciples of Jesus. There is no restriction implied as if only some 144,000 need to hear the exhortation of that teaching.

The FAITHFULNESS of EVERY disciple of Jesus is the aim of the parable. If I understand your opinion, you are saying that Jesus is ONLY talking to some Little Flock of 144,000 and not to the Christian church in general.

I would reject that idea.

Likewise His promise of reigning and co-ruling with Him comes with the exhortation that WHOEVER has an ear to hear should hear what the Spirit speaks to the churches. There is no hint that ONLY 144,000 were meant to hear.

Originally posted by jaywill
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Why do you think I'm rejecting that all mankind will not reap the benifits of Jesus words? Did I ever say that? Of course not just two people will.
Would not Jesus and his fellow Kings and Judges eventually destroying the wicked ones off the earth not be a good thing that Jesus promised?
How can you say JW's sa rit speaks to the churches. There is no hint that ONLY 144,000 were meant to hear.

The invitation to worship God and to be either one of the little flock or to be a member of the great crowd is open to all. Every human on this planet can have a bible and read and learn what God has to offer.
So this gift of salvation is not only for the 144K. I never said that.
But there are many hints and explinations that Jesus and the Apostles gave that show there are only two groups that will gain salvation.

And yes it is only the 144K that will be serving with Jesus....

Revelation 14:1,2:
1 Then I looked, and there ((((((before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion,
and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.)))))))))

2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders.(((((((( No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. ))))))))

You must catch these points here or you missing the whole thing this is saying.

Does this not say that only the 144K will be standing with Jesus??????
Is this also not clearly saying that only 144K are redeamed from the earth??????
Where does it even slightly hint that anymore then the 144K will be there??????
Where does it mention that anyone else is redeamed from the earth?????
Why is it necessary to have more then the 144K that are to judge with Jesus??????
Why do you think man in general needs to go to heaven at all????????

Originally posted by jaywill
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I don't believe in the rapture. When did God ever take his people out of tribulation?
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You have an interesting point. However, it would not be hard to demonstrate that at times God DID remove His people from tribulation.

I said "at times" and not "all the ti ...[text shortened]... ove this to you in another post after I see if you have understood this up to now.[/b]

I follow you or your line of reasoning. My issue has always been when does Christ return? At the last Trump of God! So the catching up of believers occurs when? At the return of Christ and this occurs at the last trump. I don't see a pre-trib rapture or mid-trib rapture in scripture. I don't see Christ coming more than one time in the scriptures to meet his people. I could be totally wrong LOL



Manny

Originally posted by menace71
I follow you or your line of reasoning. My issue has always been when does Christ return? At the last Trump of God! So the catching up of believers occurs when? At the return of Christ and this occurs at the last trump. I don't see a pre-trib rapture or mid-trib rapture in scripture. I don't see Christ coming more than one time in the scriptures to meet his people. I could be totally wrong LOL



Manny

One has to remember what the wording of the scriptures say. The apostles did not ask when or where he'd be back on earth in person. Right? They asked what the "signs" would be of his presence. What does that mean?
If Jesus was going to be back on this earth first of all they would have asked that question differently. But they obviously knew he would not return in the flesh in person. And if he were to return in the flesh he would have answered something like "you'll know I'm here because you will see me in person."
But did he ever imply that? Did he ever say I'll be back in the flesh? Did he say he would walk on this earth as a man again?
Certianly nothing even close to that. He said there will be the "signs" or things happining out of the ordinary when my presence is felt here on the earth and went on to explain them in Matt, Mark and Luke.
So when one is looking for and paying attention to and recognizing those signs when they are happening, then according to Jesus's own words his presance is now being shown..



Sign of Christ’s Presence.

Shortly before Jesus’ death his apostles asked him: “What will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” (Mt 24:3; Mr 13:4; Lu 21:7) There were distinct differences between this question and the requests for a sign that the religious leaders had made. While right there, able to see him and his works, those leaders would not accept him as Messiah and King-Designate. (Joh 19:15) Once they asked for a sign “to tempt him” (Lu 11:16); also some may have been infected with idle curiosity about Jesus’ signs, as was Herod. (Lu 23:8) Quite the opposite, the disciples who asked about the sign of Christ’s presence already accepted him as Messiah and King. (Mt 16:16)

But Jesus had said that the Kingdom was “not coming with striking observableness.” (Lu 17:20)

Consequently (though the apostles mistakenly believed that the Kingdom would be established on earth; Ac 1:6), at the arrival of the Kingdom they did not want to be like the Jewish leaders—blind to Jesus’ presence. Accordingly, they asked, not for a miraculous sign to be performed right there, but what the future identifying sign would be.
In response Jesus described a composite “sign,” one made up of many evidences, including wars, earthquakes, persecution of Christians, and a preaching about the Kingdom. (Mt 24:4-14, 32, 33) The destruction of Jerusalem and its temple was under consideration when the disciples asked Jesus for the “sign” (Lu 21:5-7), and his reply gave prophecies that applied to Jerusalem and Judea, which were fulfilled during their lifetime. (Lu 21:20; Mt 24:15) But his answer also dealt with the establishment of the Kingdom of God and its effects on all mankind.—Lu 21:31, 35.

“Sign of the Son of man.”
On that same occasion Jesus said to his disciples: “And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Mt 24:30; Lu 21:27) Just before this comment he had spoken of the prophet Daniel. (Mt 24:15; Da 9:27; 11:31) And from the expression Jesus here used it is evident that he was now referring back to Daniel 7:13, 14, where the vision depicted “with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man” gaining access to “the Ancient of Days” and receiving a ‘kingdom that will not be brought to ruin.’ This linked “the sign of the Son of man” with the time when Jesus would be exercising Kingdom power. Jesus applied the expression “Son of man” and the prophecy at Daniel 7:13, 14 to himself.—Mt 26:63, 64; Mr 14:61, 62.
About 96 C.E., 26 years after the destruction of Jerusalem, John wrote about things that would take place in the future, and he saw in vision Jesus Christ “coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him.” (Re 1:1, 7) Hence, both this statement about something that was to take place after 96 C.E. and what Christ said about “the sign of the Son of man” referred to Jesus as coming in the clouds and as being seen by all people. (See CLOUD.) It should be noted, however, that while the Greek verb ho‧ra′o, “see,” used at Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 1:7, can mean literally to “see an object, behold,” it can also be used metaphorically, of mental sight, to “discern, perceive.”—A Greek-English Lexicon, by H. Liddell and R. Scott, revised by H. Jones, 1968, p. 1245, col. 1.

Originally posted by galveston75
The invitation to worship God and to be either one of the little flock or to be a member of the great crowd is open to all. Every human on this planet can have a bible and read and learn what God has to offer.
So this gift of salvation is not only for the 144K. I never said that.
But there are many hints and explinations that Jesus and the Apostles ga ...[text shortened]... to judge with Jesus??????
Why do you think man in general needs to go to heaven at all????????

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The invitation to worship God and to be either one of the little flock or to be a member of the great crowd is open to all. Every human on this planet can have a bible and read and learn what God has to offer.
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You are not countering the point I was making.

Let me explain it this way: To whomever the offer of salvation is the possibility of reigning as a co-king with Christ is ALSO offered. Is that clear ?

The scope of human beings offered the possibility to reign with Christ in the millennium is virtually the identical scope of those offered the GIFT of eternal life, eternal redemption.

The offer is virtually as wide in both cases - salvation and reigning.

Does this mean that all who are saved will be rewarded with that responsibiity ? No. If they are not defeated in their enjoyment of God's grace, if they overcame in their cooperation with God's work in their lives, they will be rewarded. So it is a minority, a remnant.

But the offer is not made to a minority. The offer is made to all believers.
Do you see the difference ?

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So this gift of salvation is not only for the 144K. I never said that.
But there are many hints and explinations that Jesus and the Apostles gave that show there are only two groups that will gain salvation.

And yes it is only the 144K that will be serving with Jesus....
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That is wrong.

With this kind of attitude you encourge people not to serve God. With this teaching you imply that people can assume that serving God is someone else's responsibility, some 144K special people.

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Revelation 14:1,2:
1 Then I looked, and there ((((((before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion,
and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.)))))))))
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You should realize the word FIRST in the phrase "FIRSTFRUITS" .

This means readiness and ripeness in GROWTH. If some fruits are "FIRST" is does not mean that they ONLY are ripe. It means that they are ripe EARLIER then others.

This is a matter of GROWTH into maturity with which all the crop of wheat partakes. The reward of their ealy rapture is because of the TIMING of thier maturity. It was EARLY. They are "FIRSTfruits" which will shortly be followed by their others who will be HARVEST.

That they are rewarded for their NORMALITY is the key. They are not above the standard. They are simply AT the standard.

The truth that some among God's saints are normally at His standard is seen in the sevenfold repetition of the promise to "overcome" - See the letters to the seven churches in Revelation 2 and 3:


1.) "To him who OVERCOMES, to him I will give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God." (2:7)

2.) "He who OVERCOMES shall by no mean be hurt of the second death." (2:11)

3.) " To him who OVERCOMES, to him I will give of the hidden manna, and to him I will give a white stone, and upon the swtone a new name written, which no one knows except him who receives it." (2:17)

4.) "And he who OVERCOMES and he who keeps My works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations; And he will shepherd them with an iron rod, as vessels of pottery are broken in piees, as I also have received from My FAther" (2:26,27)

See additionally [b]3:5; 3:12; 3:21 [/b]

The important thing to realize is that these letters are all to all those who already have the gift of eternal life. This is a promise of REWARD in ADDITION to receiving eternalt life.

Life is meant to grow, mature, develop, and ripen. To cooperate with this process in the church age will merit a REWARD in addition to the general gift of eternal salvation.

All these particular rewards are only relevant to the 1,000 year millennial kingdom. God in His wisdom knew that some of those who receive the GIFT of eternal life would be more cooperative with His sanctification process then others. Many count just being born again as an end in itself.

All will eventually be conformed to the image of the Son of God. But some are more cooperative with the growth process while others still loved the world. When Christ returns the ones who were more cooperative will be enjoy a special portion during this INTERVENING time before the eternal age. That preliminary age is called the millennium of 1,000 years. And God set it up as an incentive to GROW in His process to conform the believers to the image of Christ:

The FIRSTFRUITS are therefore not the ONLY ones who ripen with this divine life. They ripen FIRST and EARLY with this divine life.

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2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders.(((((((( No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. ))))))))

You must catch these points here or you missing the whole thing this is saying.

Does this not say that only the 144K will be standing with Jesus??????
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Yes and no. Yes, they are singled out as being purchased from the earth, indicated that they are raptured to Heaven. Yes, in that as living in the final age of the church they are of particular pleasure to the Father.

HOWEVER, the majority HARVEST also is reaped by Jesus at the end of the chapter. BOTH are WHEAT. The difference is not that only the FIRSTFRUITS are standing with Jesus and the HARVEST is not standing with Jesus. The differnce is that at the appropriate TIME they were standing with Jesus, on time as Firstfruits.

After the scortching heat of the Great Tribulation the rest of the crop in God's field also ripen and become the HARVEST standing with Jesus. Therefore any reward assigned to the early ones is not because they are different in nature but were more pleasing as regards to TIMING.

The Great Tribulation is allowed by God to ASSIST those who dragged their feet, put off sanctification, still loved the world, still loved their old self life and remained immature. They need help. And the hot "sun" of the troubles of the Great Tribulation also serve to ripen the Harvest that they TOO may be reaped up unto Jesus Christ.

Whoever is gifted with salvtion MUST eventually be conformed to the image of Christ:

"Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, the He might be the Firstvorn among many brothers;

And those whom He predestinated, these He also called; and those whom He called, these He also justified; and those whom He justified, these He also glorified." (Rom. 8:28-230)

All will be conformed and as you say "stand with Jesus". All will not be conformed at the same time. And it is obvious that among Christians some delay in thier maturation process and some move more swiftly from lesson to lesson.

When the Great Tribulation starts after the rapture of the Firsrtfruits, the Manchild, and those who were ready and watching for an early pre-tribulation rapture, those left on earth will no longer love the world and neglect the conformity to the image of Christ.

If I am a Christian alive at the time when thousands of Christians are raptured, do you think I will still neglect the sanctification of the Holy Spirit in my heart ? Do you think I will still love the world when I see the Antichrist rise up and the calamities coming upon the earth.

The rapture of a remnant of Christians will be a strong signal to the church and the world. But if you have not receive Jesus Christ into your heart as Lord and Savior you have not even entered into salvation yet.

Firstfruits, Harvest, Manchild, and those standing on the Sea of Glass in chapters 16 plus all the overcomers and all Christians are only those who have received Christ into their hearts. The Spirit of Christ has caused them to be born again. And their sins have been washed away in the redemptive work of Christ.

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Is this also not clearly saying that only 144K are redeamed from the earth??????
Where does it even slightly hint that anymore then the 144K will be there??????
Where does it mention that anyone else is redeamed from the earth?????
Why is it necessary to have more then the 144K that are to judge with Jesus??????
Why do you think man in general needs to go to heaven at all????????
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You are imagining all this time that I am fighting for a concept of more men going to heaven. That is not the issue with me here. This is your training in arguing with mainstream Christianity causing you to ASSUME that I care only about more people going to Heaven.

But these last few questions I want to deal with in a separate post. I can see more why you are so gripped with misconceptions about the 144,000 in Revelation 14. I can see now the stronghold that the enemy of God has in the minds of Watchtower students.

Perhaps for the first time I can see how the Devil has such a stronghold in the minds of Watchtower students about the 144,000.

I need time and prayer to address your last few questions because you are in the grip of a strong deception.

Originally posted by menace71
I follow you or your line of reasoning. My issue has always been when does Christ return? At the last Trump of God! So the catching up of believers occurs when? At the return of Christ and this occurs at the last trump. I don't see a pre-trib rapture or mid-trib rapture in scripture. I don't see Christ coming more than one time in the scriptures to meet his people. I could be totally wrong LOL



Manny

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I follow you or your line of reasoning. My issue has always been when does Christ return? At the last Trump of God! So the catching up of believers occurs when? At the return of Christ and this occurs at the last trump. I don't see a pre-trib rapture or mid-trib rapture in scripture. I don't see Christ coming more than one time in the scriptures to meet his people. I could be totally wrong LOL
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The word parousia is translated into English "coming". But it states the meaning stationary presence. It is a "coming" only when it is linked with words implying motion.

F.T. Bassett writes "it is not merely COMING, but actual PRESENCE" (emphasized itatics with capitals)

The word parousia is used of a static, not a dynamic, prosimity as in "even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence [parousia] only, but now much more in my absence" (Phil. 2:12)

In the Transfiguration spoken of in Second Peter 1:16 Christ was not descending, but had a stationary presence om tje o,,edoate meighbourhood of the earth. Parousia therefore also signifies a stationary nearness or presence to the earth. For example, as James saus the Judge is "standeth before the doors" (James 5:9).

Much more could be written here. But the point I want to make is that Christ's parousia involves more then the motion of His coming in the typical English sense. When some are raptured to the throne in Heaven that is part of Christ's parousia. When He leaves the throne in Heaven and hovers near the earth concealed and clothed in secrecy, that is also a part of Christ's parousia.

Christ first in His parousia will rapture some early ones to the Heaven. That is part of His parousia (English "coming" ) . Then He will start His journey towards the earth with these early raptured ones. Christ will be concealed in the clouds near the earth for a period of time. Nature will convulse and no one will detect that He is near the earth. He is clothed in a cloud. That too is part of His parousia.

Then Christ will be manifested and some will be raptured not to the heaven but to the air. That too is part of His parousia (English "coming " ) .

Before He touches down physically on the earth He will determing who among His people will be rewarded and how during the millennial kingdom. These overcomers will accompany Him to the battle in Armageddon in the Holy Land. All this including His selection of His army and His descent to the earth is also a part of His parousia.

So you can see that some part of His parousia is static and some is dynamic. Some involves saints being cought up to Him in Heaven and some involve some being caught up to Him in the air.

It is easy to miss these details when we only view a "coming" and do not regard the larger scope of the Greek word PAROUSIA.

The Winky eyes graphic in this post is an accident or typo of some kind.

Originally posted by jaywill
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The invitation to worship God and to be either one of the little flock or to be a member of the great crowd is open to all. Every human on this planet can have a bible and read and learn what God has to offer.
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You are not countering the point ...[text shortened]... last few questions because you are in the grip of a strong deception.[/b]

LOl..Ok I'll be waiting for your answers.
But the Devil has nothing to do with this truth in th Bible. If anything he is blinding ones from seeing the big picture and what the reality of God's organization is both in heaven and on earth.
He has managed to keep the majority of mankind still in an infint stage of spiritual knowledge as is explained at Eph 4: 11-16.

Ephesians 4:11-16 (New International Version, ©2010)

11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.
15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.
16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

You see the belief that most of mankind will either go to heaven or hell is a very old and wrong belief. In fact at one time the early Witnesses believed that to some extent because it had been taught that by their old churches they used to be members of. But because of honestly wanting to know the truths in the Bible God allowed the light of the truth start to shine as was fortold in the Bible.
So now most of the world is still in the infant stage of knowledge and has never progressed pass that.
The unity that this scripture speaks of is seen all over the world by every JW and within every single congregation. We have that complete unity in belief from Genesis thru the book of Revelation.

Originally posted by galveston75
LOl..Ok I'll be waiting for your answers.
But the Devil has nothing to do with this truth in th Bible. If anything he is blinding ones from seeing the big picture and what the reality of God's organization is both in heaven and on earth.
He has managed to keep the majority of mankind still in an infint stage of spiritual knowledge as is explained at ...[text shortened]... congregation. We have that complete unity in belief from Genesis thru the book of Revelation.

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You see the belief that most of mankind will either go to heaven or hell is a very old and wrong belief.
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You are still arguing your practiced line of reasoning.

Did I say most of mankind will either go to heaven or hell ?

Read my keyboard. God's eternal plan does not center on people going to Heaven to live forever there .

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In fact at one time the early Witnesses believed that to some extent because it had been taught that by their old churches they used to be members of. But because of honestly wanting to know the truths in the Bible God allowed the light of the truth start to shine as was fortold in the Bible.
So now most of the world is still in the infant stage of knowledge and has never progressed pass that.
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The unity that this scripture speaks of is seen all over the world by every JW and within every single congregation. We have that complete unity in belief from Genesis thru the book of Revelation.
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You may have a "unity" of theology which is very systematic and fairly consistent. And you may have one organization and feel that you can gloat over the scandal of many denominations among Christians.

But you do not have even your Christology right. You still regard Christ as an arch angel and not God incarnate. Those problems are more serious then the 144,000 debacle.

The Woman of Revelation 10 which we might call the Universal Bright Woman is the same Wife and Bride of Christ in eternity.

But only a subset of her, a remnant is rewarded to be enjoyers of the millennial kingdom reigning.

By the time the thousand years are completed ALL of the redeemed will have been conformed to the image of Christ. And the blessings of sonship are to all those who have received the eternal life.

The Bible says that the sons of God will reign forever and ever. The question is then WHO shall they reign over ? Shall they reign over each other ? This does not make much sense.

God will transfer into the 1,000 year kingdom and also into the age of the new heaven and new earth a large amount of people who are to be the nations under the reign of the sons of God.

Notice that I have said nothing in these paragraphs about being in Heaven. No one who has not received Christ into their human spirit will be one of these sons of God.

Originally posted by jaywill
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You see the belief that most of mankind will either go to heaven or hell is a very old and wrong belief.
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You are still arguing your practiced line of reasoning.

Did I say most of mankind will either go to heaven or hell ?

Read my keyboard. [ ...[text shortened]... No one who has not received Christ into their human spirit will be one of these sons of God.[/b]

"The Bible says that the sons of God will reign forever and ever. The question is then WHO shall they reign over ? Shall they reign over each other ? This does not make much sense."

Well this among a few other things you've shown doubt on should clue you into many of the things I've been showing from scripture. There can't be Judges if they
have no one to be Judges over. That's where the great crowd comes as well as all the ones who will be resurrected, both good and bad. Again...you will never find 1 scripture that says the Great Crowd will go to heaven.


But again the scriptures do say that the light of the truth and knowledge would get brighter and brighter as this sysytem nears it's end. The issues your bringing up such as what were discussing here and that God and Jesus are the same has been around for centuries and is never taught in the Bible.
So even the simple things in the Bible are confusing to most religions and then they can't even agree on those
The truth of these issues are crystal clear to us no matter how hard it is for you or anyone else to believe.
We Know exactly who and where we will be going once the Kingdom takes effect here on the earth as it has in heaven. Isn't that what we all model our prayers after?

Originally posted by galveston75
I have already posted all the referance scriptures on these points.



Descriptions of the Little Flock.

A diffinent number in total: 144,000.

First fruits.

Remnant.

Will be sealed on their foreheads before the great tribulation begins.

Bought from the earth.

Standing "on" the throne.

Joint heirs.

Judges.

Priest.

Virgi ...[text shortened]... ation.

To be judged along side wicked ones.

Tears and death eventually done away with.

I thought it was 144 001 😀

Originally posted by karoly aczel
I thought it was 144 001 😀

Not that you really care I take it but Jesus is not one of the 144K.