The Eternal Son of God

@FMF

Do you believe divegeester faces "damnation"?

That's not important to the OP. I'm not stuck on - "is he saved or not."
I'm just not fixated on that issue.

Whatever the case, he is teaching wrongly about the Son of God.
Christians can make mistakes, if he's a Christian.

I haven't seen you once turn the question around to him about me.

I am probably going to repeat this line many times until it sinks in for some of us.

Creation --> Incarnation --> Human living --> Crucifixion --> Resurrection --> Ascension --> Impartation

In the beginning was the Word who was with God and was God. That is the beginning without a beginning.
That is eternity. (John 1:1)

The Word (Who is the Son of God) is the source of all creation (John 1:2)

The Word became flesh. The Son of God entered into His own creation. In fact He clothed Himself in creation. He became a man. Without dispute man is an item of creation (Genesis 1:26,27) God created man.

So we have a paradox which is really not all that easy. We have a Person who is both the Creator and the creature.
We have Jesus Christ Who is both living in eternity past and beginning with the conception of a human in the womb of a mother. We have in one Person the infinte and the finite. We have God and man. We have God-man.

He came not only to die a redemptive death. He also came to live a perfect life. And in His resurrection He brings all that He has attained, obtained, passed through and accomplished into the eternal Spirit. He brings this God-man in resurrection into the eternal Spirit.

He came and passed through incarnation. The He died and rose from the dead still wearing that in which He was clothed. This was then the BIRTH of a new order. Witness Lee put it that in one step He brought God into man. And in another step He brought man into God.

The God-man status is something Christ will never put away. Not for eternity will He put away His uplifted and glorified resurrected humanity. The eternal purpose of God was to mass-produce God-men. That is to duplicate what Christ is in resurrection.

Right here:

"And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.

Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; buit if it dies, it bears much fruit." (John 12:23,24)

@sonship said
That's not important to the OP. I'm not stuck on - "is he saved or not."
I'm just not fixated on that issue.

@sonship said
Whatever the case, he is teaching wrongly about the Son of God.
Christians can make mistakes, if he's a Christian.

@FMF

Whether or not either one of us is saved or not, the Bible teaches about an eternal Son of God.

@sonship said
@FMF

Whether or not either one of us is saved or not, the Bible teaches about an eternal Son of God.

So we saw in John 12:24 that the one grain was to die to produce the much fruit of many grains.

In other words the one Son was to be mass produced into many sons.

This does not mean that the many sons have exactly the same status as the Onlybegotten Son of God. He is God by way of Him being before creation in eternity - " ... with God and the Word was God". That is something no saved sinner can share. That is non-communicable. That is an attribute of Christ which is His alone. He is God incarnated.

But as the Firstborn Son we who are saved follow Him to be men and women mingled with God. We follow Him in being born of God, saturated with His divine nature - "partakers of the divine nature" (Second Peter 1:4) .

The one grain will not go away when the many grains are produced.
The Firstborn Son does not lose His office while many subsequent sons reign forever and ever.

This is a point in this thread. Christ is the NEW HEAD of a new humanity. He is called "the second man".
He is called also the concluding "last Adam". He concluded one race and initiated a new one. He became "a life giving Spirit" to impart this deified humanity into the saved in order to be their eternal life.

I'm sorry that this is not superficial. Be enlarged readers. Expand your capacity.

@sonship said
I'm sorry that this is not superficial. Be enlarged readers. Expand your capacity.

@FMF

To not believe the Son of God in whom IS eternal life, is not Himself eternal, I think is a serious heresy.

Why don't you go hassle him about me for awhile? I mean its not as if Divegeester has not leveled some harsh statements about me.

Be balanced. Go hassle him for awhile about how he writes about sonship.

@sonship said
To not believe the Son of God in whom IS eternal life, is not Himself eternal, I think is a serious heresy.

@sonship said
Why don't you go hassle him about me for awhile? I mean its not as if Divegeester has not leveled some harsh statements about me.

Be balanced. Go hassle him for awhile about how he writes about sonship.

sonship, does the ideology you are laying out here have any actual consequences ~ according to your beliefs ~ for divegeester if he does not subscribe to it?

@sonship said
@divegeester

Because the being/entity that is the Father and is also the Son, and they are in fact the same person, all those scriptures you post are of course totally in sequence with this understanding.

So then the Son is the eternal Son.

If they are the same "person" or (being/entity) then the eternalness of the "eternal Father" (Isa. 9:6) ...[text shortened]... the Son.

So why are you arguing that the "office" of the Son is not eternal as His Person is ?

@sonship said
The wild accusations of the heretic cannot prove the Son is not eternal.

@fmf said
If divegeester is a "heretic" according to you, do you believe he is nevertheless "saved" by his belief in Jesus?