If you think your dark and depraved ~ and clearly morally inexplicable ~ ideology is likely to have such effect, you are definitely barking up the wrong tree, sonship. I am just interested in how you seem to demonstrate that it's morally inexplicable with your constant circular logic along the lines of 'It's moral because it's moral', 'It;s just because it's just', 'Christ will do it to you because he is divine', 'It's moral because Christ is doing it' and so forth.
I could say a few things about this.
Christ is not just anybody. I told you that I have to consider His Person, who and what He is.
I admit that eternal damnation is unimaginably harsh. But it is not for revolt and rejection of anyone else who has ever lived.
Now, goodbye.. My wife just came into the room and informed me that I have to get off the computer now because "There is another " life" and we have to talk about other things.
Latter folks.
19 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidYes god will “repay us for the wrong done” in a lifetime spanning 70 years by placing us in a place of flesh-melting agony for all eternity!!
We attempt to keep ourselves looking good in our own eyes, so we tend to disconnect evil deeds done by other from ourselves. This is done a lot by suggesting only a specific group of people do them, due to color, race, nationality and so on. We have taken the word "Nazi" to single out those that did evil things, attempting to paint them into something other than ordinary peo ...[text shortened]... ing to allow this to continue and will repay us for the wrong done unless we repent and turn to Him.
Tell me KellyJay, where is the justification for all the eternity of years of being burnt alive after the 70th?
19 Sep 19
@secondson saidKellyJay and sonship disagree with you.
"Jesus (the Lamb) will be in hell overseeing the burning alive of non Christians"
The Bible doesn't say that. You made it up. You lie.
I’m still waiting for your promised “serious and considered response”.
Or are you still at the wedding, or on a bathroom break?
19 Sep 19
@secondson saidFeel free to demonstrate how I’m wrong.
The Bible does not say that.
You lie.
@sonship saidIt helps you forgive those who mistreat you, right?
@FMF
What's the moral purpose and justification for 'torture in burning flames for eternity' being the punishment?
You have asked this of me in the past.
I have answered it in the past (probably in more than one post).
I don't feel to repeat the cycle of replies and objections with the same debater.
Vengeance, Retribution. Punishment on this s ...[text shortened]... geance, retribution, reaction to perpetual sinning, confinement to keep the cantagion of the revolt.
19 Sep 19
@sonship saidSo the essential meaning and significance for billions and billions of non-believer human beings of Jesus being executed by the Romans - using a method that took just several hours - is that those billions and billions of human beings were going to be subjected to the most painful kind of torture that anyone can imagine [much worse than crucifixion], and this was going to be inflicted forever and ever as vengeance? This is effectively the "perfect morality" you are peddling, right?
@FMF
Why torture?
If you and I do not understand why suffering is involved, it is true that a man like Jesus willingly underwent Divine punishment (at least in His mind ) in your place and in my place.
I have to consider the Person and Who He must be.
In the flurry of exchanges I wrote that Job also argued about what did he do to Go ...[text shortened]... his, we will be condemned forever (with discomfort) for the guilt of revolt against goodness itself.
19 Sep 19
@sonship saidWhy not answer the question?
@FMF
Why torture?
If you and I do not understand why suffering is involved, it is true that a man like Jesus willingly underwent Divine punishment (at least in His mind ) in your place and in my place.
I have to consider the Person and Who He must be.
In the flurry of exchanges I wrote that Job also argued about what did he do to Go ...[text shortened]... his, we will be condemned forever (with discomfort) for the guilt of revolt against goodness itself.
19 Sep 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI think that when everything is revealed what He does will be just and right, correct! I also believe even those cast into Hell will know this as well.
You think God will 'torment them for all eternity' and trust He will do it well?!
19 Sep 19
@sonship saidI like also sonship how you appear willing to jettison God's omnibenevolence when it suits your purpose.
Is there some historical creed in Christian dogma where you see the word "omnibenevolent" ?
I don't know if there is so I ask the genuine question.
Would "omnibenevolence" in God mean God would be good to the extent to allow His throne to be overthrown? I mean would such omnibelevolence allow Satan and all who follow him to be forever overthrowing God's will, i ...[text shortened]... hose who believed His salvation - to become sin that we might become God's righteousness in Christ ?
@kellyjay saidMore of your “it is because it is” abject abdication of reason and morality.
I think that when everything is revealed what He does will be just and right, correct! I also believe even those cast into Hell will know this as well.
What a grotty horrible abhorrent religious outlook you hold to.