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@divegeester saidTake it up with God. God said it, I didn't.
Your version of Jesus burns non Christians alive for eternity.
"Where their worm dieth not,..", "and the fire is not quenched".
skōlēx ~ a worm, spec. that kind which preys upon dead bodies.
Odd you should equate my "version of Jesus" to be someone evil. Are you sure there's not something wrong with you?
My "version of Jesus" is as a forgiving savior. But for those who reject Him, He will be as a judge.
That's what the Bible says, but you're not interested in that. You're interested in hating Christians along with your brother Rajk.
Your Jesus, and Rajk's, is a perversion of the Jesus of the Bible.
21 Sep 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNot seeing a warning in Revelation may speak more to your spiritual blindness than the fact you extract no warnings. I'm also not sure why you go on and on about a loving God, God in scripture is much more than just love, but that lone attribute you address. If you are going to look at God in the Bible, wouldn't it be prudent to include His Righteousness, Holiness, and so on? Why single out only love? After all, the God of the Bible is more than just love. If you are going to speak about the God of scripture, at least accurately portray Him as He is in scripture. It is painful to watch you describe Him as a made-up one-dimensional cartoon character of your imagination.
I extract no warning from revelations. None whatsoever. No warnings, no fear.
And such abhorrence, a million miles away from a loving deity, deserves to be jeered at.
21 Sep 19
@secondson saidYour professed faith in Jesus is nothing. Your disdain for His commandments is going to be your downfall. When have you EVER quoted one single commandments of Christ and tell people that these must be followed ..NEVER.
Take it up with God. God said it, I didn't.
"Where their worm dieth not,..", "and the fire is not quenched".
skōlēx ~ a worm, spec. that kind which preys upon dead bodies.
Odd you should equate my "version of Jesus" to be someone evil. Are you sure there's not something wrong with you?
My "version of Jesus" is as a forgiving savior. But for those who reject Him ...[text shortened]... along with your brother Rajk.
Your Jesus, and Rajk's, is a perversion of the Jesus of the Bible.
I dont hate the brotherhood of Christ. I hate the lies and deceit perpetrated by a corrupt Christian church. True brothers of Christ preach the commandments of Christ. You preach a doctrine of Satan of disobedience to God.
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Your version of Jesus burns non Christians alive for eternity.
"And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:15)
How do you plan to stop God from doing that ?
Do you imagine that if you taunt and heap enough supposed shame on believers in Christ, this will stop God at the last judgment?
What is your plan to halt God from carrying out this judgment on all those whose names are not recorded in the book of life?
21 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidYou know you say that a lot to a lot of people, but when we say we are to love God and each other that is the top two. How often do you speak about loving each other and loving God above all else?
Your professed faith in Jesus is nothing. Your disdain for His commandments is going to be your downfall. When have you EVER quoted one single commandments of Christ and tell people that these must be followed ..NEVER.
I dont hate the brotherhood of Christ. I hate the lies and deceit perpetrated by a corrupt Christian church. True brothers of Christ preach the commandments of Christ. You preach a doctrine of Satan of disobedience to God.
21 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidYou should study scripture! Hell is a word is a single word translated from many other words. Some will be in both, the latter the lake of fire is the last punishment.
Matt 25 - the goats rejected Christ and they will be cast into the lake of fire [not hell] along with the devil and his angels.
Hell is not the same as the lake of fire. If hell is cast into the lake of fire, [as REv 20 states] how can it be the same. Your church doctrine is a mass of confused nonsense.
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22 Sep 19
Bumped up for Divegeester.
"And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:15)
How do you plan to stop God from doing that ?
Do you imagine that if you taunt and heap enough supposed shame on believers in Christ, this will stop God at the last judgment?
What is your plan to halt God from carrying out this judgment on all those whose names are not recorded in the book of life?
22 Sep 19
@secondson saidDo you now recognize that sonship and KellyJay believe that those who lack belief in Jesus, after they die, are tormented in burning flames for eternity? Or are you still insisting that nobody on this forum does?
Are there no mature adults posting in this forum?
22 Sep 19
@rajk999 said"Your professed faith in Jesus is nothing."
Your professed faith in Jesus is nothing. Your disdain for His commandments is going to be your downfall. When have you EVER quoted one single commandments of Christ and tell people that these must be followed ..NEVER.
I dont hate the brotherhood of Christ. I hate the lies and deceit perpetrated by a corrupt Christian church. True brothers of Christ preach the commandments of Christ. You preach a doctrine of Satan of disobedience to God.
Wrong. My faith in Jesus is everything. I don't need your approval.
"Your disdain for His commandments is going to be your downfall."
Wrong. I love Jesus' commandments. I disdain your lies.
"When have you EVER quoted one single commandments of Christ and tell people that these must be followed ..NEVER."
When were you "born again"? It's a commandment of Jesus. But you never talk about that. Never. The reason- because you can't attach works to it.
"I dont hate the brotherhood of Christ."
Yes you do. The evidence is in all your posts.
"I hate the lies and deceit perpetrated by a corrupt Christian church."
So what? You can't say that though about God's church. Too bad for you that you can't find it.
"True brothers of Christ preach the commandments of Christ."
True believers in Christ take council from the whole Word of God.
"You preach a doctrine of Satan of disobedience to God."
By saying that you confirm you are a liar.
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Do you now recognize that sonship and KellyJay believe that those who lack belief in Jesus, after they die, are tormented in burning flames for eternity? Or are you still insisting that nobody on this forum does?
I always go to the last verse for a bottom line on who is finally condemned - those who lack having their names written in the book of life. (Rev. 20:15)
Just viewing the universe -
Why should I think the power of the Creator is out of proportion to the goodness of the Creator?
Why should I fear that the authority of God is out of proportion to the goodness of God?
22 Sep 19
@fmf saidI guess you forgot what we were discussing before. Never mind. Let's look at your new set of questions and see if there's anything of value in them to discuss.
Do you now recognize that sonship and KellyJay believe that those who lack belief in Jesus, after they die, are tormented in burning flames for eternity? Or are you still insisting that nobody on this forum does?
Your first question. Just looking at it makes me wonder how you can claim to have "considerable more intelligence", since I've stated my belief regarding everlasting punishment many times.
Interesting is how you couched the questions referring back to an old argument about a so-called "torturer god ideology" you made up to characterize the God sonship, Kelly and I believe in.
And your second question is obtuse since it is misleading. There is no such thing as a Christian that believes God "tortures" anyone.
But all Bible believing Christians know that God will judge the dead and cast them out into outer darkness in everlasting punishment, in unquenchable fire, where their "worm dieth not".
22 Sep 19
@sonship saidAre you responding to the post of mine you quoted? Seemingly not.
@FMF
I always go to the last verse for a bottom line on who is finally condemned - those who lack having their names written in the book of life. (Rev. 20:15)
Just viewing the universe -
Why should I think the power of the Creator is out of proportion to the goodness of the Creator?
Why should I fear that the authority of God is out of proportion to the goodness of God?
SecondSon insists that nobody on this forum believes that those who lack belief in Jesus, after they die, are tormented in burning flames for eternity.
This has got nothing to do with the fact that, despite the mountain of 'It is because it is' assertions you pile on top of each other, you are unable to make your ideology morally coherent.
But, anyway, your inability to do this has nothing to do with the post of mine you were ostensibly replying to.
22 Sep 19
@secondson said"Unquenchable fire"?
But all Bible believing Christians know that God will judge the dead and cast them out into outer darkness in everlasting punishment, in unquenchable fire, where their "worm dieth not".
So you now concede that sonship and KellyJay believe that those who lack belief in Jesus, after they die, are tormented in burning flames for eternity?
Is that a 'yes'?
And you now concur with the 'burning flames' bit, have I understood you right?
22 Sep 19
@secondson saidBoth sonship and KellyJay believe that those who lack belief in Jesus are tormented in burning flames for eternity as divine vengeance? Do you recognize this to be true?
And your second question is obtuse since it is misleading. There is no such thing as a Christian that believes God "tortures" anyone.
22 Sep 19
@secondson saidI have forgotten nothing. We are discussing whether you concede that there are Christians here in this community who believe that those who lack belief in Jesus will be tormented in burning flames for eternity. That is what we are discussing.
I guess you forgot what we were discussing before.