The god who burns people alive for eternity

@fmf said
Because you used to be adamant that no Christians here believe in ' torment in burning flames for eternity' but now you seem to think there are, and yet you are unwilling to concede that you have changed your mind.

That's an obfuscation.

I was, and still am, adamant that Christians don't believe in a "torturer god ideology". That's what I said then, and I'm saying it again.

I haven't changed my mind about anything. You can concede to that anytime you're ready.

@secondson said
That's an obfuscation.

I was, and still am, adamant that Christians don't believe in a "torturer god ideology". That's what I said then, and I'm saying it again.

I haven't changed my mind about anything. You can concede to that anytime you're ready.

Do you concede that there are Christians here who, unlike you, believe that those who lack belief in Jesus will be tormented in burning flames for eternity?

@fmf said
While I have no reason to believe anything you claim about "everlasting punishment", what I do find interesting is the inability to explain the moral justification for the punishment being the neverending torturing of people in fire.

And you never will until you understand that God is just, and all His judgements "are true and righteous altogether."

@secondson said
I called you a liar for saying there were Christians that held to the "torturer god ideology" myth you claimed they believed in.

It's a lie you made up.

The terminology is mine.

It is a label that describes the ideology they have, based on what they believe their god figure does. This is what sonship has told me over and over again over the years...

Non-believers are supposedly thrown into "Hell".

Here, they are made to suffer for eternity.

This is punishment and revenge for their lack of faith and belief in the Christian God/Jesus.

They have 'failed to believe' that they were forgiven by Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection.

This lack of belief and failure are unforgivable.

In "Hell" they are not destroyed and they are not allowed to die in order to escape the flames. They are conscious. They are tormented by the flames.

This torture is everlasting.

This punishment is for unforgiven sins and is perfect justice and the ultimate morality.

Lack of Christian belief makes a person a willing participant in the rebellion against God of a supernatural figure called Satan.

Everyone should fear God's wrath and choose to believe the Jesus story.

Christians who believe all these things, and who believe that their sins have been forgiven BECAUSE they believe all these things, go to "God's Kingdom".

God created billions and billions of human beings with the explicit foreknowledge that they would adhere to other religions and traditions and, as a consequence, be subjected to everlasting torture in this way.

But, because of 'free will', those billions of people who do go to Hell, they send themselves there knowingly and wilfully, even if they do not believe in the torturer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology..

That is the torturer god ideology.

@fmf said
To your way of thinking, what is the nature of the "threat" you think you pose to atheists? I think you are misreading the interpersonal dynamic and the substance of the debate here. How am I "threatened" by your faith?

It's the object of the Christian faith you're threatened by.

@secondson said
It's the object of the Christian faith you're threatened by.

I am a non-believer. So what is the nature of this "threat" do you think?

@fmf said
You try 'talking straight': Yes or no?

Do you still believe that nobody on this forum believes that those who lack belief in Jesus are tormented in burning flames for eternity?

Read what I've already posted about that.

@fmf said
The topic you and I are discussing is 'torment in burning flames for eternity'. I have been discussing this topic with you and others for over 50 pages.

And yet you still don't understand. Very strange for someone of your considerable intelligence.

@fmf said
Do you concede that there are Christians here who, unlike you, believe that those who lack belief in Jesus will be tormented in burning flames for eternity?

Read what I've already posted about that.

@secondson said
It's the object of the Christian faith you're threatened by.

There used to be a Hindu who posted here. He asserted that I would be reincarnated as something like a pig or a dog or a cockroach. Do you think I felt threatened by his belief?

@fmf said
The terminology is mine.

It is a label that describes the ideology they have, based on what they believe their god figure does. This is what sonship has told me over and over again over the years...

Non-believers are supposedly thrown into "Hell".

Here, they are made to suffer for eternity.

This is punishment and revenge for their lack of faith and belief in the Chri ...[text shortened]... rturer god and do not subscribe to the torturer god ideology..

That is the torturer god ideology.

You made it up. It is a mischaracterization of the God of the Bible and His infallible and immutable judgements.

The word torture isn't in the Bible. The word "torturer", which isn't in the Bible either, implies something sadistic, which it is clear you are inferring.

Says a lot about you.

@secondson said
You made it up. It is a mischaracterization of the God of the Bible and His infallible and immutable judgements.

It's a description of what sonship and KellyJay 'teach'. If it is, as you say, "a mischaracterization of the God of the Bible", then it is them you should confront, not me. I am a non-believer.

@fmf said
I am a non-believer. So what is the nature of this "threat" do you think?

Didn't you say at one time you were an agnostic atheist?

Are you conceding that you have changed your stance relative to your lack of faith?

The threat to all who deny Christ is the resurrection.

Won't that be a game changer when you learn it's true?

@secondson said
The word torture isn't in the Bible. The word "torturer", which isn't in the Bible either, implies something sadistic, which it is clear you are inferring.

My terminology refers to the set of beliefs I itemized a couple of posts ago.

@secondson said
Didn't you say at one time you were an agnostic atheist?

Of course. There have been whole threads about it. One was started especially for you and ran to hundreds and hundreds of posts.