The god who burns people alive for eternity

@secondson said
You don't seem to understand what I'm telling you.

@secondson said
It doesn't mean "Jesus is in hell". That idea defies reason.

I believe divegeester mischaracterized the language of that verse to say something it's not saying because he knows the verse is saying hell, and suffering in hell, is very real. Divegeester can't come to terms with the reality of everlasting punishment.

@secondson said
That's an obfuscation.

I was, and still am, adamant that Christians don't believe in a "torturer god ideology". That's what I said then, and I'm saying it again.

I haven't changed my mind about anything. You can concede to that anytime you're ready.

@secondson said
And you never will until you understand that God is just, and all His judgements "are true and righteous altogether."

@secondson said
You made it up. It is a mischaracterization of the God of the Bible and His infallible and immutable judgements.

The word torture isn't in the Bible. The word "torturer", which isn't in the Bible either, implies something sadistic, which it is clear you are inferring.

Says a lot about you.

@secondson said
And your terminology doesn't square with the narrative of scripture.

The Bible knows nothing about a "torturer" God.

Here is a repost of the OP for the three Christian boys in here who claim terrible things about my god.

@divegeester said
Ok this thread is specifically calling SecondSon and Sonship to the platform to discuss precisely what it is we all need to know about Jesus and his alleged oversight of the burning of people in Hell for eternity. I’d include JellyKay but he’s got me on ignore as usual.

Why am I starting this thread? Both of the protagonists mentioned are keen to highlight the literalism of eternal suffering, or everlasting punishment, but both are reluctant to step up to the mark and stand up for what THEY believe this doctrine actually really entails.

Here is my opening gambit:
I contest that the doctrine of death, the doctrine of eternal suffering as laid out by those who believe in it and as it has been discussed in dozens of threads over years in this forum, fundamentally describes a version of the Christian God, including the “Lamb” (Jesus) overseeing the deliberate, purposeful burning alive of what will effectively be billions of non-christians who are supernaturally kept alive to endure this suffering for eternity. That is the actual outworking of this doctrine.

Sonship, SecondSon, if I am misrepresenting this doctrine or what you believe about it, please feel free to step in and correct my understanding.

Thank you.

@secondson said
Have you noticed sonship how desperately divegeester, Ghost, FMF and the Rajk try to erase the doctrine of everlasting punishment that is so clearly put forth in the Bible by whatever means they can contrive? Including, but not limited to, ad hom and belittling criticisms, and yet are unable to nullify what the scriptures have to say about it?

Clearly they are threatened ...[text shortened]... heir names will not be found in the book of life.

Jesus said after all, "my sheep hear my voice".

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It is not a matter of 'erasing' the doctrine of eternal torment but 'highlighting' the absurdity of such a notion if one is to uphold the finer qualities of the divine. The bible says God 'IS' love. I think Christians who buy into the whole eternal suffering narrative have forgotten this.

@kellyjay said
If you are going to speak about God, at least do it with all of the facts before you. Right now the only one you are referring to is this cookie-cutter one-dimensional version that doesn't exist anywhere except between your ears!

@kellyjay said
If you are going to speak about God, at least do it with all of the facts before you. Right now the only one you are referring to is this cookie-cutter one-dimensional version that doesn't exist anywhere except between your ears!

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No. I am taking as a starting point the commonly accepted qualities that the Christian God is supposed to be endowed with, including omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence. It is 'this' God that I argue is not compatible with the God of eternal torment.

I have been crystal clear on this.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No. I am taking as a starting point the commonly accepted qualities that the Christian God is supposed to be endowed with, including omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence. It is 'this' God that I argue is not compatible with the God of eternal torment.

I have been crystal clear on this.

@kellyjay said
If you are just arguing that this god you are making up cannot do the things that the Christian does, just say that. If you don't, you should tell ToO your really sorry for doing what he does and you harp on him.

@kellyjay said
No, you are not taking the starting point of commonly accepted qualities of the Christian God and yet, that is who you are talking about.