The god who burns people alive for eternity

@fmf said
I don't share your Christian faith.

But you do have faith that Jesus didn't rise from the grave.

@fmf said
But sonship and KellyJay 'preach' the beliefs I listed on the previous page.

Well, I never heard them say they believe God tortures anyone.

@secondson said
Clearly they are threatened by our faith in the immutable and infallible Word of God. We believe God and what He says, but they obviously don't.

I think assertions like this are little more than you bigging-up your certainty about your beliefs.

@fmf said
You making these two assertions does not create something that I feel "threatened" by.

They weren't made as threats.

Bed time. Night

@secondson said
But you do have faith that Jesus didn't rise from the grave.

"Faith"?

I don't find the Bible a credible source to support the claims that Christians make about the events and the significance of Jesus' life. I lack the beliefs that you do.

@secondson said
They weren't made as threats.

But you clearly said, a few pages ago, that you think people like me are "threatened" by your beliefs.

@secondson said
Well, I never heard them say they believe God tortures anyone.

Do you accept that, unlike you, they believe that those who lack belief in Jesus will be tormented in burning flames for eternity?

@secondson said
Well, I never heard them say they believe God tortures anyone.

He takes things others say, changes the meaning of the words and even assigns to them a motivation when he wants. When he assigns meaning and intentions and alters other's words, he supports the things he says over what they have not. For one who thinks all truth is relative, holding others accountable for things they didn't say as if they did is a bit odd.

@secondson said

Wrong. I love Jesus' commandments. I disdain your lies.

You love yourself and you recently said that the commandments of Jesus is a burden which was removed and I am trying to burden people. That makes you a liar.

@kellyjay said
He takes things others say, changes the meaning of the words and even assigns to them a motivation when he wants.

You either believe that those who lack belief in Jesus will be tormented in burning flames for eternity or you don't.

Simpering to SecondSon about how you get your feathers ruffled from time to time is just a dodge.

Do you believe that those who lack belief in Jesus will be tormented in burning flames for eternity? Yes or no?

@kellyjay said
For one who thinks all truth is relative, holding others accountable for things they didn't say as if they did is a bit odd.

Things you "didn't say"?

Clear it up once and for all now, then: do believe that those who lack belief in Jesus will be tormented in burning flames for eternity?

Be clear and then be prepared to be held accountable for what your unequivocally stated belief is.

@secondson said
We were discussing divegeester's inference that Jesus was "in hell overseeing" those in it.

It’s not an “inference” it’s an outright claim based on the scripture in Revelation which if taken literally says so.

It’s in the OP as you know and you apparently unable to decide if it is literal or not.

@secondson said
It doesn't mean Jesus is in hell, as divegeester said, to which I have repeatedly stated, but to no avail.

We have a picture of an event described in Revelation 14 that divegeester has mischaracterized, and which you continue to belabor.

Are there no mature adults posting in this forum?

Revelation 14 says that a group of people will be casts into the lake of fire in the presence of the Lamb (Jesus) and his angels.

This is what I claim that you, sonship and KellyJay take as being literal.

Are you saying that it is metaphorical?

@secondson said
Divegeester said, of the verse in question, that "in the presence of" means Jesus is there in hell.

I've been trying to drive that point home since I first started posting in this thread. That has been my point of contention throughout these pages, but no one seems to be paying attention.

Obviously, according to the phrase "in the presence of", Jesus and His angels ha ...[text shortened]... . It's "good news". Why wouldn't anyone want to live forever? Jesus is the only way to eternal life.

Never mind all this waffle, just come our directly and say if the scripture describing Jesus as being in the presence of the eternal suffering is literal or metaphor?

You’ve already called it a “picture” which is a typical cop out type of comment from you.

@secondson said
Take it up with God. God said it, I didn't.

No I’m taking it up with you.

Do you believe that Jesus burns people in hell for eternity or not?

Simple question SecondSon,