The god who burns people alive for eternity

@kellyjay said
If you are just arguing that this god you are making up cannot do the things that the Christian does, just say that. If you don't, you should tell ToO your really sorry for doing what he does and you harp on him.

Seriously Kelly, what are you on about?!

I am not 'making up' a God' but describing the qualities of your own God. Do you really not recognize him?

Blimey.

@kellyjay said
He takes things others say, changes the meaning of the words and even assigns to them a motivation when he wants. When he assigns meaning and intentions and alters other's words, he supports the things he says over what they have not. For one who thinks all truth is relative, holding others accountable for things they didn't say as if they did is a bit odd.

Sad, but true.

@fmf said
Do you accept that, unlike you, they believe that those who lack belief in Jesus will be tormented in burning flames for eternity?

Again, since plain English appears to escape you, "they", like myself, know that the Bible is unequivocal in its narrative that those who reject Christ land in hell.

Clear enough?

@rajk999 said
You love yourself and you recently said that the commandments of Jesus is a burden which was removed and I am trying to burden people. That makes you a liar.

Quote me. I never said the commandments of Jesus are a burden.

What I have said is what Jesus said, which is, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

But it is you that makes the burden heavy.

@divegeester said
It’s not an “inference” it’s an outright claim based on the scripture in Revelation which if taken literally says so.

It’s in the OP as you know and you apparently unable to decide if it is literal or not.

You have a serious problem divegeester.

Your claim is weak. Revelation 14:10 says, "The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:"

Presence ~ enōpion
Outline of Biblical Usage:
in the presence of, before, of occupied place: in that place which is before, or over against, opposite, any one and towards which another turns his eyes.

Your claim is not just weak. It has no merit at all. "Presence" does not mean "in" by any stretch of the imagination, and frankly, you simply don't know what you're talking about.

@divegeester said
Revelation 14 says that a group of people will be casts into the lake of fire in the presence of the Lamb (Jesus) and his angels.

This is what I claim that you, sonship and KellyJay take as being literal.

Are you saying that it is metaphorical?

The "lake of fire" is a real thing.
Those who received the mark of the beast are real men.
They are literally "cast" into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:11-15
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The apostle John said, "and I saw".

John saw, and described what he literally saw. The things John saw are real and they exist, and will literally come to be.

Do you think John saw nothing and made it up to spook people?

Don't you think that if "the dead" were annihilated that God would not tell us so plainly? Or do you think God is trying to scare people into heaven?

No metaphors describing nothing. Any metaphors used are at the very least symbolic of very real things.

The Bible is clear. There is laid out before us in scripture two very clear choices. On the one hand there is light, on the other darkness.

@secondson said
Your claim is weak. Revelation 14:10 says, "The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:"

Presence ~ enōpion
Outline of Biblical Usage:
in the presence of, before, of occupie ...[text shortened]... in" by any stretch of the imagination, and frankly, you simply don't know what you're talking about.

“In the presence of the Lamb” does not mean in the presence of the Lamb...?

Is this really what you are trying to tell us?

@secondson said
John saw, and described what he literally saw. The things John saw are real and they exist, and will literally come to be.

I see so as with KellyJay, in order to defend your horrible doctrine, your horrible version of God, you are defaulting to everything in Revelation being literal.

So the multi-headed beast being ridden by the whore who’s blood is soaked in the blood of Christians is LITERAL...?

@divegeester said
I see so as with KellyJay, in order to defend your horrible doctrine, your horrible version of God, you are defaulting to everything in Revelation being literal.

So the multi-headed beast being ridden by the whore who’s blood is soaked in the blood of Christians is LITERAL...?

Another one. Death and hell is cast into the lake of fire. How do you do that? Is death and hell tormented for eternity? lol 😀

@rajk999 said
Another one. Death and hell is cast into the lake of fire. How do you do that? Is death and hell tormented for eternity? lol 😀

This only shows you don’t know what you are talking about.

@kellyjay said
This only shows you don’t know what you are talking about.

Posts without substance is your claim to fame. Take some example from me. I either ignore a post that I dont like or I post what I think is the correct thing. I never waste my time telling someone they dont know what they are talking about and stop there. I make the correct statement.

Try it. Tell me what is the correct thing. Otherwise STFU MORON.

@divegeester said
No I’m taking it up with you.

Do you believe that Jesus burns people in hell for eternity or not?

Simple question SecondSon,

Sorry, but you have to take it up with God. The issue is settled with me. God says what He means and means what He says.

@divegeester said
Nobody understands what you’re telling us because you can’t make your mind up on this topic, you are notorious for it.

Notorious is good.

1 Corinthians 2:13-16
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

@divegeester said
What does it mean then?
Is it a metaphor?
Is the rest of eternal suffering a metaphor?

YES OR NO!

Oh dear it’s so difficult for you isn’t it.

It means Jesus is in the presence of, but not in the lake of fire.

Not difficult at at.

@secondson said
Notorious is good.

1 Corinthians 2:13-16
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he th ...[text shortened]...
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

You have the mind and spirit of Satan. The Spirit of Christ teaches men to obey the commandments. You teach men to disobey the commandments and to continue on with sin as it has no bearing on their eternal life which you delude yourself into believing is assured.