22 Sep 19
@divegeester saidThat accusation doesn't stand in the face of scripture.
Yes we all know you are adamant about that but you are also adamant that your version of god burns people alive for eternity.
Burning people alive for eternity is torture.
The person doing it is Jesus
Jesus is your god.
You have a torturer god ideology. Plain and simple.
Jesus is not a torturer God. He is just and His judgments "are true and righteous altogether".
Outer darkness is the final abode of the dead. "Where their worm dieth not". Where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Quite literal.
22 Sep 19
@divegeester saidGod's judgements "are true and righteous altogether". Psalm 19:9
Burning people alive for eternity is “true and righteous”?
And God means what He says, and He says the condemned will be cast into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is literal, and not a metaphor for annihilation.
22 Sep 19
@divegeester saidI've been unequivocal, but you are too unstable in your mind to comprehend the Bible and accept God's Word for what it says.
Does your god burn people alive for eternity or not?
Try to be honest, try to be unequivocal.
22 Sep 19
@divegeester saidDue to the instability of your mind you assert that it is an assertion that the Word "torture" doesn't occur in the Bible?
All you do is make assertions, defend your case with scripture and exegesis.
You're grasping at straws in an attempt to be relevant to the topic without a firm understanding or references to support your own assertions.
22 Sep 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDon't forget about God's Devine wrath Ghost.
It is not a matter of 'erasing' the doctrine of eternal torment but 'highlighting' the absurdity of such a notion if one is to uphold the finer qualities of the divine. The bible says God 'IS' love. I think Christians who buy into the whole eternal suffering narrative have forgotten this.
Yes, God is love, and in His love He gave His most precious gift to mankind to be slain on a cross where God poured out His Holy wrath without admixture on His own Son.
Scoff at that if you must, but it is the gospel truth.
22 Sep 19
@divegeester saidAre you that daft?
“In the presence of the Lamb” does not mean in the presence of the Lamb...?
Is this really what you are trying to tell us?
22 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidYou're such a lug head.
You have the mind and spirit of Satan. The Spirit of Christ teaches men to obey the commandments. You teach men to disobey the commandments and to continue on with sin as it has no bearing on their eternal life which you delude yourself into believing is assured.
I have never taught anyone to disobey God.
Only one of Satan's tools would say that.
22 Sep 19
@secondson saidI simply don't accept that any deity who, by definition, was truly wise, powerful and loving wold be riddled with the human emotion of wrath.
Don't forget about God's Devine wrath Ghost.
Yes, God is love, and in His love He gave His most precious gift to mankind to be slain on a cross where God poured out His Holy wrath without admixture on His own Son.
Scoff at that if you must, but it is the gospel truth.
This sounds more like ancient men projecting their own emotion onto their God figure, in inflicting unnecessary cruelty and vengeance.
22 Sep 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDoes not matter the God of scripture has several attributes and if you add to or take away your not speaking about Him, but something of your own concoction. So you going to apologize to ToO for going after him for what you are doing?
You do not consider these qualities as commonly accepted of the Christian God?
1. Omniscience
2. Omnipotence
3. Omnibenevolence
@secondson saidYour intention to keep dodging the actual point is duly noted.
Are you that daft?
@secondson saidThis is just an assertion by you, not a counter argument.
Due to the instability of your mind you assert that it is an assertion that the Word "torture" doesn't occur in the Bible?
You're grasping at straws in an attempt to be relevant to the topic without a firm understanding or references to support your own assertions.
@secondson saidIs that a yes or a no?
God's judgements "are true and righteous altogether". Psalm 19:9
And God means what He says, and He says the condemned will be cast into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is literal, and not a metaphor for annihilation.
@divegeester saidsecondson, I note that you avoid replying....
“In the presence of the Lamb” does not mean in the presence of the Lamb...?
Is this really what you are trying to tell us?
@secondson said“Sorry”?
Sorry, but you have to take it up with God. The issue is settled with me. God says what He means and means what He says.
“Take it up with God”?
Excellent debating Joseph.
@secondson saidAnother dodge.
Notorious is good.
1 Corinthians 2:13-16
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he th ...[text shortened]...
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.