The god who burns people alive for eternity

@kellyjay said
Don’t be an ass, you can not do anything properly without all the necessary data. You think you can get a proper answer in math without accounting for every variable? Do you think any complex computer program will give the desired results functioning with most of the program turned off? You and ToO are two peas in a pod if you blow this off!

At some point someone, maybe myself, should construct a summary of what the three protagonists in the OP actually believe about their god who burns people alive for eternity.

This is, if anyone can actually figure it out through all the dodging, deflection, ignoring, obfuscation and of course...weddings.

@divegeester said
No one has alleged claimed or stated that Jesus is IN the lake of fire.

Are you being deliberately dim so you can avoid the topic?

@divegeester said
No one has alleged claimed or stated that Jesus is IN the lake of fire.

Are you being deliberately dim so you can avoid the topic?

@divegeester [i]said[/b]

"I guarantee that not one of these Christians will have the either ability to counter my challenge in the OP and demonstrate that these LITERAL scripture mean something other than burning people alive, nor will they have the balls to come right out and say “yep that’s what it is, what it means and it’s Jesus perfect justice” ".

Don't need balls to say that those who are cast into the lake of fire will remain there throughout eternity. Suffering. Torment. Weeping and gnashing of teeth in outer darkness. Where their worm dieth not. Literally.

God said so. And nowhere in scripture is there any indication that annihilation is inferred.

@secondson said
@divegeester said page 4, seventh post.
"You challenged my integrity about saying that you believed that Jesus will be in Hell overseeing the eternal “burning alive” of non Christians."

You accused sonship of saying that Jesus "will be in hell".

Provide the exact quote of sonship's. Show your integrity. Don't just mouth off about it.

@secondson said
@divegeester [i]said[/b]

"I guarantee that not one of these Christians will have the either ability to counter my challenge in the OP and demonstrate that these LITERAL scripture mean something other than burning people alive, nor will they have the balls to come right out and say “yep that’s what it is, what it means and it’s Jesus perfect justice” ".

Don't need ball ...[text shortened]... lly.

God said so. And nowhere in scripture is there any indication that annihilation is inferred.

Again for the fourth time SecondSon, is the multi-headed beast of Revelation, the one being ridden by the whore wearing robes dripping with blood...is that all LITERAL too?

Or just the grotty hellfire and suffering bits you have been indoctrinated to believe are LITERAL?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I 'literally' have no idea what you are banging on about.

@kellyjay said
Well, that is painfully obvious since you admit you have made up a god, given it some godlike attributes, then also place limitations upon your cookie-card god, then say this is why the God of scripture cannot or would not act according to scripture! Simultaneously ignoring acts of God and man in scripture as well so the interactions and results of all is outside of the cont ...[text shortened]... ning behind due to your unwillingness to see it as is, so you can look at only as you want it to be.

@kellyjay said
Well, that is painfully obvious since you admit you have made up a god, given it some godlike attributes, then also place limitations upon your cookie-card god, then say this is why the God of scripture cannot or would not act according to scripture! Simultaneously ignoring acts of God and man in scripture as well so the interactions and results of all is outside of the cont ...[text shortened]... ning behind due to your unwillingness to see it as is, so you can look at only as you want it to be.

@divegeester said page 10, forth post.

"Hell as a concept and as a place is completely metaphorical, as is eternal torture and pretty much everything in the Book of Revelation, which itself states that it is an account of John’s “visions”. "

The Word "visions" does not occur in the book of Revelation. The word "vision" occurs only once in chapter 9 verse 17.

BUT, "I saw" occurs 36 times. John "saw" literal things in the spiritual realm and gave descriptions of what he "saw" using the only terms he could that we can understand.

Revelation 19:19,20
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:11-15
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

"And I saw". Not visions. Not metaphors. A real lake of fire. Real torment.

For how long? "For ever and ever."

2 Peter 2:17
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

Jude 1:13
Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Revelation 14:11a
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:

@divegeester said
Again for the fourth time SecondSon, is the multi-headed beast of Revelation, the one being ridden by the whore wearing robes dripping with blood...is that all LITERAL too?

Or just the grotty hellfire and suffering bits you have been indoctrinated to believe are LITERAL?

@secondson said
@divegeester said page 10, forth post.

"Hell as a concept and as a place is completely metaphorical, as is eternal torture and pretty much everything in the Book of Revelation, which itself states that it is an account of John’s “visions”. "

The Word "visions" does not occur in the book of Revelation. The word "vision" occurs only once in chapter 9 verse 17.
...[text shortened]... kness for ever.

Revelation 14:11a
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:

@divegeester said
The OP has been posted twice, within it is a clearly laid out challenge. Please feel free to pick up the gauntlet and coherently defend your horrible version of Jesus any time you wish.