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The god who burns people alive for eternity

The god who burns people alive for eternity

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@kellyjay said
What confuses you or does not matter in your estimation? The fact that someone who by definition is perfectly good and just is doing something and there are those who oppose Him?
There is no confusion and my question is perfectly clear and reasonable.

'Why is it unreasonable for me to conclude that such qualities are not compatible with a God that would have people tormented for all eternity?'

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@FMF

But why is the punishment torture in burning flames though?


So I hear the warning that the saved will have eternal blessing and the condemned will have eternal misery, eternal loss.

Say -
I never believed in the Savior.
I never thanked God for anything.
I never believed in this "ideology" or ASK God for anything.

Now I come to the last judgment with the sick feeling in my stomach that the Bible was true. Should I now before God say:

God I clearly rejected You, never asked anything from You, didn't believe a word that you spoke. And now I am condemned. Though I never asked you for anything I want to ask of you one thing now -

Could you make it for me that I do not suffer loss? I mean just non-exist me so there is no awareness or sense of eternal loss as you warned?

Even the thief on the cross next to Jesus realized that he was getting what he deserved. All he said was "Remember me when you come into Your kingdom." He didn't asked to get out of what he deserved. He just asked for Jesus to remember him.

Jesus said he would be with Him in Paradise. He would be saved because of his faith.

He warned of the condemned suffering loss in words impossible to misunderstand. Should the unreconciled, unforgiven rejecting rebel to God then ask God to go back on His warning so that eternal misery will not be the result?

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
None of that addresses the point of my post.

How do 'you' (Kelly) balance the two extremes?
They are not opposite positions!

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
There is no confusion and my question is perfectly clear and reasonable.

'Why is it unreasonable for me to conclude that such qualities are not compatible with a God that would have people tormented for all eternity?'
When God is going to turn evil over for it’s righteous punishment for all of its crimes, it will be done with God’s wrath, as those entering into His eternal Kingdom receive His love and grace. When that happens wrath not love comes into play!

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@sonship said
@FMF

But why is the punishment torture in burning flames though?


So I hear the warning that the saved will have eternal blessing and the condemned will have eternal misery, eternal loss.

Say -
I never believed in the Savior.
I never thanked God for anything.
I never believed in this "ideology" or ASK God for anything.

Now I come to the la ...[text shortened]... g rebel to God then ask God to go back on His warning so that eternal misery will not be the result?
So there's punishment, I see. But what is the moral justification for it being torture?

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@sonship said
He warned of the condemned suffering loss in words impossible to misunderstand. Should the unreconciled, unforgiven rejecting rebel to God then ask God to go back on His warning so that eternal misery will not be the result?
"Impossible to misunderstand"?

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Just so it is clear our default position before God is wrath, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." God's love for us was demonstrated in sending Jesus to us to save us from the fate of dying in our sins before a Holy God. It is God's love and mercy that He is extending to us offering grace to those that believe. If they don't, the wrath of God remains on us.

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

John 3:35-36 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

Ephesians 5:5-7 English Standard Version (ESV)
For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them;

Colossians 3:7-9 English Standard Version (ESV)
In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices

Revelation 6:15-17 English Standard Version (ESV)
Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

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@kellyjay said
Just so it is clear our default position before God is wrath, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." God's love for us was demonstrated in sending Jesus to us to save us from the fate of dying in our sins before a Holy God. It is God's love and mercy that He is extending to us offering grace to those that believe. If they don't, the wrath of God remains on us.
What is the moral justification and purpose of this wrath being expressed through torture in burning fire?

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@kellyjay said
It is God's love and mercy that He is extending to us offering grace to those that believe. If they don't, the wrath of God remains on us.
Why would God still feel wrathful with, say, the aforementioned little old lady and her lack of belief, in 500,000,000 years from now?

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@kellyjay said
They are not opposite positions!
Putting your objective hat on, (I think it is in the back of a cupboard somewhere) If I presented you with a brand new deity who I described as:

1. All-powerful
2. All wise
3. All-loving
4. Righteous
5. Good
6. Holy

Would you truly not find it bizarre and wholly opposite to the character of such a deity if I added, "Oh, and he will also torment non-believers for all eternity in hell"?

Seriously?!

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